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[scruff1] 01/11/2020 11:34

The more I think about Gove's utterance this morning the more angry I get. After a day of government action that has left a few of my pub and hospitality owning friends in a state of shock up he pops the very next day to inform them Dec 2 was not really a specific end and that this will go on for as long as the govt thinks necessary. How the f* can any business plan like that. He has done this just to shaft Boris and to hell with the rest of the country. Such sowing of confusion is exactly the last thing that anyone suffering mentally needs. Absolutely disgusting playing politics with people's emotions.

[tygarreg] 01/11/2020 11:33

I am very much for herd immunity. Let the youngsters get, get over it and build a buffer in society. However, if a vaccine is just down the road then my support for herd immunity wavers.The big question is how long do we have to hide for? Will there be a vaccine this year, next spring or perhaps this time next year? Different sources say different things. And when can it be rolled out to safeguard the vulnerable?If there is no vaccine, we are wasting time building immunity.New Zealand are gambling their whole future on a vaccine or forever isolated.

[smartie6] 01/11/2020 11:31

From what I understand there’s more chance being overloaded with the virus in hospitals. Maybe accurate and maybe not?

[smartie6] 01/11/2020 11:29

Mmmmmmm, interesting one. I know from discussion that the elderly that have lived in fear of Covid for the last 7months have died in hospital from Covid having caught it in hospital following admittance for something else unconnected.

[smartie6] 01/11/2020 11:22

Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Spreading the same old BS. Protect the weak, protect the economy, let the strong inherit the earth.
Goes hand in hand with someone’s views under 30 or those with an agenda to protect their failing business.
Oh wouldn’t it be a shame if Tarquin and Cressida didn’t get the iphone 12 or the latest Mac next year?
FFS stonedyou show some humanity, there are people dying of this. Families losing loved ones.

[thebridge] 01/11/2020 11:20

I would just like to highlight an alterative take on the 'Pandemic' that is currently being pedalled by the BBC and Doris. See the video below, a bit long but very interesting.
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DYOR

[stonedyou] 01/11/2020 11:18

There IS another way to beat coronavirus, PM - and here it is: Oxford experts DR

TOM JEFFERSON and PROFESSOR CARL HENEGHAN reveal the blueprint they have handed to

Boris Johnson

You could be forgiven for thinking that the situation we now face is as clear as it possibly could be – and that it is becoming more dangerous by the day. The virus, we are told, is out of control, that Britain is heading for 3,000 to 4,000 deaths a day by Christmas, and that our hospitals are on the edge of catastrophe.

Yet we believe the situation is not at all clear. There are only two things about which we can be certain: first, that lockdowns do not work in the long term. They kick the can down the road. The idea that a month of economic hardship will permit some sort of 'reset', allowing us a brighter future, is a myth. What, when it ends, do we think will happen? Meanwhile, ever-increasing restrictions will destroy lives and livelihoods.

The second certainty is this: that we need to find a way out of the mess that does no more damage than the virus itself. We presented just such a plan to the Prime Minister himself more than a month ago. It will be put before him once again this weekend. We urge him to pay attention and embrace it.

Our strategy would be to tackle the four key failings. We must address the problems in the Government's mass testing programme; we must tackle the blight of confused and contradictory statistics; we must make real efforts to protect and isolate those who are vulnerable; and we must inform the public about the true and quantifiable costs of lockdown (as if they needed telling).

If we do these things, there is real hope that we can learn to live with the virus. That, after all, was supposed to be the plan.


If your levels of virus are low, then the chances of passing it on are also low. Then we must target the tests at those who truly need them. Care workers, for example, rather than primary school pupils. The contact tracers will perform better if they have fewer, more important, cases to chase.

We understand that the Prime Minister has pinned his hopes on rapid turnaround tests that could give an answer within an hour. Where is the scientific evidence to show that they work? What, we wonder, would be the cost?

Shoddy data is a second key failing. The statistics are not transparent. A confusion of different methods is used and at times they are politicised.

We are told as a matter of certain fact that the whole of the NHS is in danger of being overwhelmed. Our data suggest that there have indeed been hotspots – in Liverpool, for example – but that the situation is stabilising even in some of these places.

In the past 48 hours, we have been told there are 96,000 new infections a day. But we have also been told by respectable analysts that there are 36,000 cases and 55,000 cases a day. Take your pick. The track record of predictions – once checked against the facts – is abysmal

Covid projections and illustrations are made by the Government and its advisers on a regular basis, yet by the time we could check they are correct, they've already been lost amid the murky haze of yet more tables, charts and projections. It is hard enough for seasoned epidemiologists to keep up with the figures. For the public it is a hopeless task.

Protecting the vulnerable is the third priority. This is key to living with the virus while maintaining some semblance of normal life.

We failed to protect the old and sick at the start of the year and we are now in danger of failing once again – even though this could be the single most effective measure of them all.

It is people who are over 85 and those who are already unwell who account for the vast majority of deaths. We must increase the number of staff in care homes by a minimum of 20 per cent and set up specialist clinical teams to support them. And we should prevent staff moving between care homes and taking the virus with them.

We must recognise, too, that a dangerous percentage of infections occur within hospitals themselves and seek to guard against them. Hospital-acquired infections may account for up to 25 per cent of Covid cases on the wards. In the North West of England, they recently made up 24 per cent of all Covid patients.

Finally, we must change the tone and scope of the debate.

There has to be a measured discussion that includes the consequences of lockdown as well as the supposed benefits.

Otherwise, there can be no clear way forward. People are confused, fatigued and starting to understand that crude restrictions targeting the whole of society – irrespective of risk – are counterproductive.

Indeed, they kill people just as surely as Covid-19. There have been 23,619 excess deaths in England in people's homes since the start of April.

Yet only ten per cent of these are directly related to Covid. The rest, we might assume, are the result of restricting national life and access to usual healthcare. These deaths have largely been ignored.

If we retain hope and support each other through this winter, there is every reason to be optimistic.

There are already corners of the country which are showing resilience. It is no coincidence that districts which suffered the worst of the original outbreak are now doing better. But it is time to listen to the public and establish a dialogue.

It is time to cut through the confusion with a clear vision and a national plan that goes beyond the blunt tool of lockdown to take us through the coming months.

[smartie6] 01/11/2020 11:01

Xxxxxxxxyyyyyyyyyy?

[xxxxxy] 01/11/2020 10:55

Not done and dusted, yet. Email, contact your MP's and tell them you did not vote for SAGE or Armageddon.

[smartie6] 01/11/2020 10:45

Why if not open?

[smartie6] 01/11/2020 10:37

Maxk, why pick on someone that clearly has toilet issues?

[smartie6] 01/11/2020 10:36

Don’t you believe it stonedyou?

You should look on the nhs website on hospitalisation data. I’ve been advising numbers daily over the last 6weeks and ready for lockdown. Only 5% in the market at moment.
Proactive or reactive?

[smartie6] 01/11/2020 10:22

Stoned you, did you name Cressida after mama or great grandmama?

[smartie6] 01/11/2020 09:56

No saint tropez for Cressida and Tarquin?