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[pander45] 31/10/2020 23:20

Despite this latest lockdown lite the vast majority of business is going to keep going. Non-essential retail without an online presence and leisure seem to be the only two losers this time round? PM sent a clear message that he wants the economy to keep turning wherever possible. There will never be a return to a full lockdown imho now.

[grahamite2] 31/10/2020 23:19

You're missing k38's point there. If it's happening at exactly the same time in numerous countries that makes it even more sinister than it was anyway.

[jl5006] 31/10/2020 23:13

Sorry K 38
the fact that others are lemmings does not mean that we have to follow - that is/was the EU rule.

[jl5006] 31/10/2020 23:11

And careful - the article may be long and difficult for some to comprehend - but it is in keeping withe mess we are in with WA .
Those that do not understand will never get a better chance to say Y.
Those that expect will find the bowl is empty.
No benefit is forever when the economy is in the sht.
ER back to the workhouse - history withdrawn. Life?

[k38] 31/10/2020 23:07

Do you notice that all European countries took thesame action at thesame time ?Perhaps we need to ask the Q what's going on here, who is in control and what they try to achieve as this lockdown is not the answer.

[jl5006] 31/10/2020 22:59

hence its alternative name, “infantile paralysis”. The Hong Kong flu in the 1960s took roughly 80,000 lives, most of them young, not old.

These events were horrific – but it seemed never to occur to governments at the time to shut down normal social and economic activity in a crude attempt to prevent human contact simply because that was the only apparent means for fighting a contagion that had no cure. Why ever not? Why is this so commonplace now – we are heading into another national lockdown this week – when it was apparently unthinkable then?

Something in our political culture, and our view of ourselves, must have changed very drastically – and oddly almost without our noticing – for the founding principles of liberty (not to mention the basic understanding of what gives meaning and value to human life) to be so readily discarded.

You may say that this present emergency is unprecedented. It isn’t – although detailed reporting of its progress and unlimited speculation about its possible future course certainly is. Interestingly, I have met only two people who have any recollection of living through the 1968 Hong Kong flu epidemic. Both of them were schoolchildren at the time who had personal experience of classmates who were affected by it. But I am willing to bet that no one who has lived through this past year will ever forget it.

So the epidemic may not be unique but the response to it is – and the response has affected more lives than the virus. A good many people feel that these extraordinary governmental interventions are a sign of progress: the logical conclusion of our enlightened concern for others. This is a plausible and perhaps admirable interpretation. But let me, for the sake of argument (since we have an awful lot of time on our hands for arguing at the moment) put forward another possibility.

It might not be a coincidence that these extraordinary acts of repression by governments – in many ways more severe and intrusive into private life than those imposed in wartime – seem to be consistent with quite significant shifts in popular assumptions (or, to put it more aggressively, changes in fashionable thinking). There are two tendencies which are worth noting here. They are actually conflicting but it is perfectly possible for an entire society to believe two contradictory things at once – just as it is for an individual.

The first is probably the most obvious: the belief that the state is now morally responsible for all outcomes. The establishment of social democracy as the prevailing governing system in the advanced nations of the West, bringing with it powers to distribute wealth and prevent gross inequalities, seems to imply that the state is now morally responsible for the welfare of everyone. From this principle of total responsibility it follows that every instance of ill health or death is the direct fault of the Government – even if those who are dying have reached the age at which it is statistically normal for them to die. The state must promise not just the best healthcare it can provide, but a kind of immortality: every death should be preventable. Every death (at whatever age) is a political failing. Those who govern must not only be infinitely caring, they must be omnipotent.

Janet daley telegraph

[jl5006] 31/10/2020 22:55

When a British police commissioner publicly threatens to invade people’s homes at Christmas to break up “illegal”; family gatherings, you know that you have entered a new political landscape. At least, new for modern liberal democracies. That sort of edict would scarcely have been noticed in the totalitarian states of the old Soviet bloc, or in the distant darker periods of Western history. How in the name of God, have we got here? That such a statement could be uttered – as it was, for the record, by David Jamieson, West Midlands police and crime commissioner last week – let alone regarded as unsurprising, is an indication of some much larger phenomenon than a viral epidemic.
Janet D telegraph
Police commisioner another from G Broon era - more money wasted - every aspect of Broon rule was a disaster yet M2 loves him yet cannot see the wood for the trees!

[jl5006] 31/10/2020 22:45

Polar fox
What a revelation - based on 49000. Is that the population of Florida - if so it is really meaningful. If not - I guess it is the gutter comment and meaningless!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[k38] 31/10/2020 22:12

Bob and all others in Scotland wishing for independence can't appreciate what they've got unless he and others experience personally the other side of the coin.


But by that time is going to be very late. It want be a Scotexit or whatever other name they choose... runexit maybe ?


Lol....

[utrickytrees] 31/10/2020 21:56

Riveting Bob.

[maxk] 31/10/2020 21:54

It would seem to me that all the respective gov's of blighty would want the same thing. ie, the bug to go away, a return to normal life.


Yet the so called devolved administrations are playing politics after electing crackpot leaders hell bent on their own agenda's.


You might get your wish yet bob. Then heaven help you, cos the €uro's wont.

[bargainbob] 31/10/2020 21:51

Boris Johnson allegedly "hid in his bedroom" to avoid questions on Brexit days before he was set to become prime minister in July 2019.

Former Tory adviser Peter Cardwell claimed in his new book The Secret Life of Special Advisers that Johnson and his team ran upstairs to his bedroom to escape questions from Iain Duncan Smith (IDS).

[polar fox] 31/10/2020 21:48

One of TMZ's questions this weekend, is to ask readers which candidate they voted for.

With nearly 49,000 votes, it's running 68%/32% in favour of Biden.

No further comment.

[bargainbob] 31/10/2020 21:41

Oh Utrickytrees


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I think it's got everything to do with defending a coast in both WWars. Generally speaking the east & south coasts are a bit more stoic & better organised than say Scotland & the West, which is replicated in the covid figures. Parallels can be drawn with the politics of these areas aswell

[utrickytrees] 31/10/2020 21:39

You've got a bit of a track record when it comes to separating the facts from the fiction havent you Roberto......looooool.

[bargainbob] 31/10/2020 21:37

Firstly can I say that I am sorry that levels are so high in England I have family and lots of friends all over England.

The announcement tonight from Mr Johnston was supposed to go out on Monday, but I guess was leaked. Mr Johnston would have then taken it to parliament on Wednesday and IF approved would have been implemented on Thursday. Therefore actually 1 days notice for the people of England.

I welcome the extension of Furlough to protect jobs, however it should have been for a minimum of 6 months to protect industries that are affected by the turndown or restrictions. However there is no detail coming forth from CCHQ as to whether it only applies if a country goes into full lockdown or if it is held in case a country decides to go into lockdown. Hopefully the details will be forth coming very soon.

I hope the months lockdown measures work in England. We start the 5 levels on Monday and I truly hope this approach is successful as I want nothing more than this pandemic to be over.

Please remain safe and follow the rules in your area and with luck and good compliance we may go down a level or two.

[utrickytrees] 31/10/2020 21:35

Not me....get your facts right.

[bargainbob] 31/10/2020 21:24

Where you the one gloating about Covid in Scotland yesterday . Sad man . England in lockdown , hope your proud of your comments .