Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[minerve 2] 14/12/2019 22:31

Ah yes! The famous F- business market rally!

ROFLMAO!

[minerve 2] 14/12/2019 22:28

The UK voted for manna from heaven and Brexit without pain..
Now all the good folks of Bolsover will enjoy the endless generosity of the Tories. Poor deluded things..

[minerve 2] 14/12/2019 22:26

It wasn't brexit uncertainty that caused stocks and sterling to crash, it was brexit itself.

There is no upside to brexit if you're a uk company. More taxes, more paperwork, smaller markets, poorer customers. The one theoretical advantage, a weaker currency, isn't actually much of an advantage for a country with little primary manufacturing or natural resources and anyway has been demonstrated not to make a difference (plus it's not even that weak yet).

[jacko07] 14/12/2019 22:24

cheshire..I would make a large bet that Scotland will vote to stay with the UK, even with all their youth votes Sturgeon can't swing it. To most tight fisted Jocks, losing money is a tragedy and there are many canny Scots up there staying very silent.

Just like the Remainers calling for a second referendum, well if there had been one the Leave vote would have surpassed 60%. The Scots will vote for what's best for them and leaving the Union would be catastrophic.

The evil little witch Sturgeon is just as deep in her own ego and lefty ideals as anyone in the British Communist Party.

[minerve 2] 14/12/2019 22:22

Jacko07

Stress is all yours I think. You are the frustrated Brexiters.

Over £100K up yesterday on stocks that yield more than this dog.

Keep pretending you are valid, your death will not be long off now. ;)

Think about the tune you'll play for your death rattle. Maybe a WW2 ditty. LOL

[jacko07] 14/12/2019 22:16

Minnie, even after 3.5 years and being humiliated daily, you are still whining.

We know that Brexit trades will not happen in 24 hours, when we were part of EU it took years to get anything agreed. This time, they have a lot more to lose as billions in trade from the world comes knocking.

Now have a good sleep and let the stress leave your body, at your 20 stone weight, the less stress the better.

[cheshire pete] 14/12/2019 21:55

Bob, suppose for a minute Scotland does get its independence what price the numerous financial institutions staying in Edinburgh.

See Goldman Sachs staying in London after all lol.

[minerve 2] 14/12/2019 21:53

Patient

You are right. What I meant to say was that there were more people who were prepared to Remain and/or have closer ties with the EU than what Boris plans. So you are still in the overall % minority because hard-core Brexiters believe CU etc.. means Remain.

[bargainbob] 14/12/2019 21:43

Last political post above for a while folks , back to lloyds for me .

[slater5] 14/12/2019 21:28

bargain bob...keep your posts shorter, to boring!!!

[careful] 14/12/2019 20:43

SNP managed to get insufficient votes to claim a mandate.
Many of them will not want independence.

Study the numbers.
There is no strong mandate, the
SNP focused on Boris and Brexit.
And Corbyn fear was a massive factor.
In Scotland as well as England.

A new age beckons, they can get on with running the country for 5 years, decisions can be made, even unpopular essential ones.

[maxk] 14/12/2019 20:42

You've got my vote bob!


Insist on a UK wide referendum on Jockland independence...you'll walk it!

[freddie01] 14/12/2019 20:37

freddie..are you married to Diane Abbott or Emily Thorberry...which ever one, take away their pies and donuts, that should do it!!

I wouldn't wish those two on minerve and that's saying something.

[bargainbob] 14/12/2019 20:20

Wee Ginger

There's a wooden fence. It's painted red white and blue, but underneath that coat of paint the fence is rotten, worm eaten, fragile. It's only the paint that holds it together. It looks solid, it looks like a fence that can keep out the angry, the dissapointed, the disillusioned, and the determined, but as soon as the fence is tested it will fall apart. That's where we are now in this UK, Scottish independence is kept at bay by a rotten fence which is coated with the paint of Boris Johnson's refusal to allow another independence referendum.

The SNP won a convincing victory in Scotland in last week's General Election, standing on a mandate to give Scotland the right to determine its own future. But mandates and elections don't count for a great deal in Scotland. But but but Scotland doesn't want independence, they tell us. But but but the SNP said that a vote for them in this General Election wasn't a vote for independence. But but but the SNP didn't get more than 50% of the total vote share. The spurious reasons come thick and fast.

We don't know if Scotland wants independence or not, for the simple reason that those insisting that Scotland doesn't want independence refuse to put the question to the test. But if they were really so confident in the correctness of their assertions, then why are they so frightened, hiding in a fridge in order to avoid the question. They tell us that they don't want a referendum because it was divisive, but the only violence that resulted from the 2014 referendum came from British nationalist thugs running rampage in George Square after the result was announced. Are the British nationalists really telling us that Scotland can't have another referendum because they can't control themselves?

Yes indeed, the SNP were saying that a vote for them in last week's General Election was not a vote for independence, what they were saying was that it was a vote for Scotland's right to decide its own path whatever that path may be. Having a referendum is not the same as independence. They are quite different and quite distinct propositions. If holding an independence referendum really was the same as becoming independent then Scotland would have become independent as soon as the 2014 indyref was announced. I don't know if the Tories have noticed, but we're not independent. It just currently suits the Conservatives to conflate those two issues. They think that you're stupid, they think that you can't remember what you were told just a few days ago.

We're not independent, so the result of the 2014 referendum is being respected. That's how you respect the result of a referendum in which people campaigning against independence won a majority. Disrespecting the result of that referendum would entail overturning that majority without another vote on the matter. No one is proposing that. But it's not just the losers of popular votes who need to respect the outcome. It's far more important that those who won that vote respect the promises and commitments that they made in order to win it. If they don't respect their own promises and commitments, then it's them who are the ones who are disrespecting the referendum. If they refuse to allow the electorate to hold them to account, then they're not only disrespecting the referendum but they are also demanding the right to lie and cheat with impugnity. Democracy dies if that is allowed to happen. Whenever Boris Johnson or Jackson Carlaw demands that the result of the 2014 is respected, they are demanding the right to lie without having to face the consequences.

Perhaps the most common ah-buttery being put about on social media by British nationalists who see their precious union collapse like a rotten fence is that the SNP did not win over 50% of the popular vote in this election. Neither did Boris Johnson, but that doesn't stop him claiming that he has a mandate for the Brexit of his choosing. This was a General Election, not a referendum. If you want to apply a referendum's rules to a General Election, I have some biodegradable straws for you to clutch at in order to save you from embarrassing yourself.

It is irrelevant to the outcome of another independence referendum that "only" 45% of the Scottish voting public who registered a vote voted for the SNP. The turnout in the referendum is likely to be far higher, and not everyone who votes for independence is going to vote SNP. We know from opinion polling that there's a very large segment of Labour parrty supporters in Scotland who would vote for independence. You cannot conflate support for the SNP with support for independence. British nationalists just like to do so in order to make themselves feel better, and pretend to themselves that everyone who votes against the SNP is also voting against independence. It stops them from examining how rotten their fence is.

By Westminster's own rules, the SNP won this election handsomely, and their victory was far more convincing than Boris Johnson's supposed landslide. Boris Johnson won 43.6% of the popular vote on a turnout of 67.3%. The SNP won 45.0% on a turnout of 68.1%. Boris Johnson was 11.5% ahead of his nearest rivals in the popular vote. The SNP was 19.9% ahead of its nearest rivals in the popular vote. Boris Johnson won 56.2% of UK seats. The SNP won 81.4% of seats in Scotland. If Boris Johnson has a mandate for Brexit, the SNP has an even stronger mandate for another independence referendum, and moreover this is the fourth mandate for another referendum that has been won by the SNP.

For all their bravado, braggadocio, and bragging, British nationalists in Scotland are terrified. They know that Thursday's election was a dreadful one for unionism, that it signalled a divergence in views between Scotland and the rest of the UK that cannot be bridged by nawbaggery and a refusal to engage. You can't run a Union on saying no. You can't maintain a partnership when one partner insists that it has a veto over whether the other can decide if it wishes to remain in the partnership. All that Boris Johnson's refusals will achieve is to make the vote for yes even greater when Scotland finally has its say. And make no mistake, Scotland will have its say one way or another. The UK is a rotten fence. We're pushing against it.

[jacko07] 14/12/2019 19:54

Utricky...bargain bob the board's resident Jock is head over kilt in love with Wee Jimmy Sturgeon...he'd be nae good to her, as rumour has it she prefers the furry cup to bob's wee stick of Glasgow rock!!

[jacko07] 14/12/2019 19:49

freddie..are you married to Diane Abbott or Emily Thorberry...which ever one, take away their pies and donuts, that should do it!!

[utrickytrees] 14/12/2019 19:49

Jacko the thicko jocko's don't realise they're a total irrelevance when the ROI are already doing a job for the EU compromising the UK, The Sweaties are total liability the only tenuous benefit to us is as a Russian invasion early warning buffer zone

[diku] 14/12/2019 19:42

Is that Strictly programme on BBC1 for real?...

[cheshire pete] 14/12/2019 19:36

hxxps://youtu.be/noT8SkCRL4s

Moved to tears by this humble man. Magic moment of a memorable night.

[freddie01] 14/12/2019 19:30

My fat wife and feminist daughter have spent all day moping and making angry posts on social-media after Labour lost.

I wanted to spend all day gloating about the Conservative victory, but I had a job to go to.

[freddie01] 14/12/2019 19:29

For Sale : 55 million brand new broadband routers, boxed, unused, bargain, first to see will buy.

Contact Jeremy or Diane.

[jacko07] 14/12/2019 19:19

Jacko it will take 2 secs . All Oil in Scottish water territory is Scottish , you really are thick c£&t at times.

Bargain bob...the only thing in Scotland that takes 2 secs is when you ejaculate over your wee pic of Wee Jimmy Sturgeon on top of Fatty Blackford in a threesome with Fat Alec Salmond!

News for you, Europe don't want Scotland because it would be just a toddler and a another mouth to feed, they rather like the idea it costs the UK and is a burden to the UK taxpayer. Don't take my word for it, take 2 secs to read the link...LOL