Kier Share Discussion Threads

[sparty1] 26/3/2021 15:45

Well the old crystal ball has let you down. More than doubled despite your efforts.
Not helping me any either but looks solid for all remaining holders.
I`m not one to buy back over my sell price but closely monitoring.

syme and mslh doing nicely.

[wallywoo] 26/3/2021 15:38

Lol every Investor is just as good as his last investment. You have to look to the future to see if something is worth buying or selling. The future here is very uncertain, hence all the speculation. However, the fundamentals here look very poor. Kier have not rebuilt the balance sheet as some suggest, infact net tangible assets have fallen every period and debt increased. That's why they need another equity issue so soon after the last one.No one knows what will come in a few weeks. However, I believe because of their state today, it will be either bad or very bad. That's why I am short.

[sparty1] 26/3/2021 14:08

Well not always a bad thing depending on prospects after dilution. Markets cannot see it yet.

You are like Canute Wally. King Wally sitting on a throne trying to talk the tide back.
It is up to your neck. Just keep sitting on your throne until it covers your head. By the time the tide turns your way you will be drowned.
The only real certainty here is the value of the company and the shareprice..now!
The speculation and opinion mean nothing.

[wallywoo] 26/3/2021 13:11

They need another 200 percent more shares to keep trading, Sparty.


That 3x the number of shares trading. Now you are a economics graduate. Tell me what happens to price on supply and demand charts when the supply goes up 200 percent??


I don't care what happens today, it's in a few weeks when they have come clean on any new issue deal and their financial troubles.

[sparty1] 26/3/2021 13:03

Wally "who wants Kier paper for hard earned cash!!"

It should be quite obvious wally looking at the shareprice quite a lot of people.
These shares rise when people buy. It is not osmosis.

[johnbuythedips] 26/3/2021 12:59

Took some risk off Wally. Like you I have no idea what’s going to happen.
You are going into this offside and heading for disaster - very amateur. You’ve managed this poorly. Anybody with anything about them would understand. Keep talking your book! I won’t change the share price lol.
I never made a loss!! This time round buttons but enough to top up your electric.
Best of luck all.

[itisonlymoney] 26/3/2021 11:06

chart is breaking out upwards. jbtd is right a very bad time to be short.

[sparty1] 26/3/2021 10:45

jeees how much time you got!Think of all the action elsewhere you are missing.

[wallywoo] 26/3/2021 10:20

Lol says the man who has sold all his shares. Most for a loss!


Kier lost cash when the economy was booming and will be losing cash now in locked down UK. They have deliberately given no financial news for 9 months in a desperate attempt to sell assets and raise equity before they have to come clean.


Despite that we have no assets or equity issue news. Who would pile more money into the Kier black hole, who lost over 100p per share for each of the last 2 years, and most likely to lose this year too? Certainly not institutions or Director's.


They need to market twice as many shares that exists now in order to survive a little longer. The last RI was 35 percent taken up, with the runt sold at another 11 percent discount. I don't think this time they will be able to pull it off, who wants Kier paper for hard earned cash!!


Time is on my side not the side of the longs.

[johnbuythedips] 26/3/2021 08:55

Markets do strange things. For two years Wally has sailed close to the wind attempting to smear Kier as a business. A UK business with 20,000 employees wishing them out of business. Would it not be hilarious if they have the last laugh.
Up she goes Wally - what a pile of rubbish position you have got yourself into - again.

[johnbuythedips] 26/3/2021 08:33

Wally, the self-appointed big boy! Do not make me laugh.
This is a man(lol) who has sold Kier stock twice and been handed his a-nus on a plate both times.
He now sits on shorts from 50 pence and 58 pence upwards all the way to the 90's. Whatever way he dresses it up and lies it is a shocking position.
He has sold into the bottom of the range up, just as the hedge funds were doing the opposite and unwinding their shorts. Any good news and he is wiped out especially if we are to believe the amount he makes on trades that go his way.
Do your own research folks. I am flat but waiting on the sidelines like many others. Going into the news next month this far behind is a recipe for disaster and amateur beyond belief.

[hamhamham1] 25/3/2021 18:35

I have broad portfolio which contains other boring shares which have only gone up maybe 50% in last 12 months, don't make the mistake of thinking you have to be 100% in safe boring shares, a miss, proportionate balance is where I am and where you want to be.
I was 100% cash in Feb 2020, et tu, Brute? Now only 10% cash.

[sparty1] 25/3/2021 18:33

Or been sacked with an axe to grind..or had bad experience with kier contractually..

Incidentally Marshalls had a good day. Being ignored but climbing back up nicely.

SYME update due next week or sooner.Soon be time to lock in profits.

[hamhamham1] 25/3/2021 18:28

And all the cynics tend to be those who have had their fingers burnt, whether they admit it or not, it's about timing. I don't look at shares in issue so much, I look at historic and current market cap charts. All 3 you list are near bottom in regards to market cap over past 5 years.

[wallywoo] 25/3/2021 18:05

Hamham, over my many years of trading I have noticed that the BB's that receive the most investor interest tend to be the companies that have a awful lot of more shares to shift. If for example I look at your profile, for example I see;Costain; RI in June 20Sig; Cash raise in JulySaga; Cash raise in July 20I could go on and on. Now I know we are all big boys here, but isn't it strange that the BB's with the most posters from people like you, all have loads more shares to market. And you all are really aggressive against any cynics.It makes sense that the companies that are fine for cash and happily pay dividends, actually get very little attention!Just a observation from one big boy to another!!!

[sparty1] 25/3/2021 17:44

The wheels turn slowly Fenn, much like the one`s in your brain. I sincerely hope they take you to task for inventing broker notes involving large institutions.
Try and think of something original on the Anglo Saxon language front. I know it`s hard for someone with learning disabilities but get your carer to help.
Oh and no sticking your crayons up your nose.The NHS is too busy for that Mularky.

[sparty1] 25/3/2021 12:48

hamham
what you need is the critical analytical skills that Ray Fenn has..

He bye the way is a serial liar who posts false broker notes to gain a financial advantage. Very dodgy legal ground there, especially while telling the world he has several "shorts running".
Now there is a c..t

[hamhamham1] 25/3/2021 12:40

Investors are big enough and ugly enough to place their money where they want, why some seem to think they need to spend their day righteously protecting us naive thickies is beyond me.

[sparty1] 25/3/2021 12:23

wally ,all you do is repeat yourself..

Pidgy you cannot accept that despite costains balance sheet and relative (?) funding security the shareprice is crud. Clearly the mkts do not share your positivity or your analysis. There is no enthusiasm for the share. No trust, it is all in the shareprice.
Like I said maybe concentrate on why Costain is not performing and leave Kier to those who are interested.

[wallywoo] 25/3/2021 10:56

Sparty, you seem to spend an awful amount of time slagging off other posters, but not very much analysing shares.


IMO, To make BB's useful we should share ideas and discuss shares we think are over bought and over sold. You seem to do the opposite, IE, bullish on stocks that look toppy (and sold out of), bearish and slagging off stocks that look cheap.


Kier has doubled, there's no evidence that they have solved their financial troubles and a equity issue is coming and look very expensive (with a very uncertain future). Costain are priced under their successful RI, have solid finances / balance sheet, and look cheap.


Why?

[imastu pidgitaswell] 25/3/2021 09:45

Sparty, do you want to discuss Costain, its pros and cons, and its share price? There's a thread for that.

All the relative comparison of the price, market cap, enterprise value of the two has been done before, as you know. Do you want me to repeat it?

Here you go:




And here's an earlier version explaining relative enterprise value, with a very generous (i.e.understated) version of debt applicable to Kier:



"full of instructive stuff as to why kier is a bad investment".

Always good to give people what they want.