Kier Share Discussion Threads

[sparty1] 04/3/2021 10:50

Wally " Anyone who buys this is a fool."

Not feeling too foolish at the minute Walla. Nice bit of profit sitting in the bank.
Made another decent trade from BP as well. Must be frustrating posting all that stuff and watching the share price staying resolute..

[stdyeddy] 04/3/2021 01:01

Thanks IoM. It's not about posting nos though -- am sure you appreciate this -- it's about the pointlessness of wolly's claims.

[itisonlymoney] 03/3/2021 23:08

In the stdyeddy-wallywoo-sparty1 three-way today, eddy and sparty1 sandwiched wally with an emphatic 6-4-6 win. Zicopele left wallywoo to fend for himslef, so he was trounced! Not much to argue anyway, shares up 3.5p.

Very interesting and entertaining posts last night eddy. Thanks.

[claymagnet] 03/3/2021 19:37

Wally, don't let your kier cred go downt pan. You've spoke before about your shorts and profits, tell us of the losses and stops. I prefer a balanced diet.

[claymagnet] 03/3/2021 19:35

Guys, editing posts isn't cool. Means clay has to read things multiple times.

[stdyeddy] 03/3/2021 17:27

A NUMBERED LIST! Buyers are fools? What about shorters wally? You're still saying nothing about your short going so badly wrong, from 50p doubling down several times until you got wiped out at what? How much did you lose?

I've answered all this stuff in your little list before. No need to do it again. Like I said earlier -- it's barely worthy of comment. No one cares what you write here. As for ending in tears -- your tears, I reckon. Shareprice is up today almost 4%, even with you and sicko doing your best. Lol. As if you could do ANYTHING to change it. You've been wrong for two years; it doesn't look like that's going to change. Maybe you should look at the six-month chart up in the top right corner here.

[wallywoo] 03/3/2021 16:17

Lol Stdy. Anyone who buys this is a fool. The clues are all there;

1) delayed results are always a indicator of bad news. One that the market doesn't respond to, until they come.

2) no fund has bgt for 14 months, plenty have sold.

3) Kier have had very poor debt figures for H2 for the last 2 years. They have given no forecast for this one.

4) there are no buy notes anywhere for Kier. They can all smell trouble coming.

5) the board own very few shares

6) how can you boast of a share price rise when it's down 80 percent from the RI price (409) just over two years ago.

It will all end in tears

[stdyeddy] 03/3/2021 15:12

Sp is up, not down. wolly is helping us to articulate the bull case again. lol. 😂
Just explain this wallz; how come the Kier share price has DOUBLED from the low a few months back?

Btw, volume is looking very steady again. We will likely trade more than a million again. THE TROLLS ARE SCARED. THEY DON'T DARE PUT A SHORT ON!!!

[sparty1] 03/3/2021 15:11

There are a few things in the budget that will help kier and being reflected in the share price currently.Not just KIE of course.

[stdyeddy] 03/3/2021 15:06

wallz, your scare stories are a waste of time. They just don't work. You're always wrong. Sparty is right, you are a very poor troll. Wasting your time. I could stay off here all week, and you won't succeed from deterring one single investor. WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR 'SHORT' WALLZ?? You've been very quiet on that point.

You're also trying to forget that we've already had a preview of the results. Kier has already told us that outcomes are better than expected, business is up on the previous period, debt is stable (NOT INCREASING IN A COVD YEAR!!).

For two years you've been at it. And always wrong. Kier is still here, still winning loads of contracts, still the UK's largest regional construction business. And now reportedly getting very close to a KL sale. I think Sky News knows a lot more than you.

And still you make things up -- 'lenders are twitchy'?? What's the evidence? What do the lenders say? YOU DON'T KNOW, because you're just a cheap chatboard troll. 😊

From the FACT that they renegotiated the headroom on the covenant down to just £50m in cash, and no increase in rates, I'd say the lenders are perfectly fine with Kier.

Why don't you stop wasting your time with these pointless scare stories which are very unconvincing, don't work and make you look stupid, and just comment when there is ACTUAL NEWS.

[wallywoo] 03/3/2021 14:16

Of course Stdy, there could be another reason why the results have been delayed. Kl has been on the brink of being sold for 20 months, I would not hold my breath that's the reason.


That's because the lender's are getting twitchy. H2 was really bad news for Kier in 2019, and 2020. Most of the cash lost flowed out in those months. It would be a good guess that 2021 will be the same. You of course were forecasting great news for both those years, as in deed you are now. Not a great track record, Stdy??


Never underestimate Kiers ability to disappoint. They are experts!! Perhaps a Interserve solution is on the cards. Shareholders got nothing, PE take over the company.

BTW sold gsk ages ago for a profit, BP are fine as they have been every other time you think I should worry. Biggest investments are the gold stocks Fres, cey - very cheap currently.

[stdyeddy] 03/3/2021 13:49

Another blindingly obvious thing which you're missing wolly; a 'finance solution' for kier is not just hypothetical -- it's happening. Privately, Kier has admitted to having to delay its accounts to manage the sale of KL. Divestment was one of the reasons Kesterton was hired. That knocks a third off the net debt.

And then maybe an equity raise in some form, but I won't be asking you to predict what that is, because you are quite obviously NOT an expert, and NOT privy to anything going on at Kier because you have been CONSISTENTLY WRONG for two years and spectacularly wrong for the last few months. Kier is still here and still THE UK'S LARGEST REGIONAL CONSTRUCTION FIRM. This is the beginning of a new economic cycle and infrastructure building is one of the very few sectors with reliable money coming in. A lot of people want a part of it.

I also have a hunch that we won't have to wait until the 21st April to find out. Davies will bring things fwd if at all possible.

[stdyeddy] 03/3/2021 13:27

Meanwhile Kier share price is going up.

[stdyeddy] 03/3/2021 13:26

wally the expert who knows what's happening -- short at 50p. Whoops. Double short at 58p. Oh dear! Double again at 80p, and again at 82p and then HOLY FK!!! GONE AT 95P!!! GAVE BACK EVERYTHING HE CLAIMS HE MADE. Anyway, what's your expert financial advice today wallzy-pops?

Spartz is right wolly. BP is your big worry, or maybe it's gold which is heading down, or maybe GSK, your pharma pick and the only one losing in a global health crisis. I imagine you're finding it hard to know where to turn. No wonder you've been so quiet lately.

[sparty1] 03/3/2021 13:11

further news re building / infra structure seems useful.

[sparty1] 03/3/2021 12:59

all helps..

[sparty1] 03/3/2021 12:19

Nom "it has been almost flat for most of the last 3 years."

What chart are you looking at? 1 year maybe but three?
Three years ago it was close to a tenner and two years ago it was £5!
It trended down ,was shorted to death and now those shorts have gone and it has risen from 42p to current levels.No shorts in sight.
Now I`m currently out but happy to jump back in if a decent deal can be forged with Hands.

[sparty1] 03/3/2021 12:14

Jeees Wally you don't bother about the massive near on 70 billion debt BP has to wrestle with!They have to reduce that by half in an environment where demand is not going to pick up for months and OIL has become a dirty word.
I bought BP @ 291 two days ago and just about to lock in profits with a stop loss because the opec meeting might go the wrong way with cash strapped nations including the Saudis having to keep production going. They have a war to pay for.
I`d worry about your BP not Kiers piddly debts in relation to their turnover.
I repeat ..no one is paid to "de ramp" and Debt is being re defined, even at government level.

[wallywoo] 03/3/2021 11:25

I agree nom that the share price has been fairly flat since the RI 2.3 years ago.

However, that was because of the £250m RI. Not because of Kier's fortunes and balance sheet has been flat. That's all spent and more now. Time for the next downturn!!!

[wallywoo] 03/3/2021 11:00

Lol Sparty, it's very easy to think of finance solutions when it's hypothetical.


The trouble comes in the real world. The biggest problem with there being a easy solution is that it rarely happens. And especially in a poorly supported sector, infamous for not generating cash and in deed burning cash.


In those scenarios there are very few takers who want to pile money in. To prove this all you need to do is look at history. Carillion, Interserve, Jarvis, Connaught all were in a similar situation and failed to make shareholders any money (ie they all lost 100 percent of it). Also look at Kier's RI 2 years ago and how poorly supported it was. Why should Kier be any different this time??

Also look at the lies Kier's mgt told last time. IE, that by June 2019 they would be in a net cash position. Shareholders and investors have learnt the hard way that Kier is a poor investment. That's a much more powerful message than a 1000 Stdy posts. Investors and funds that have lost the lot several times will all have long memories.

[sparty1] 03/3/2021 09:45

Could be very simple. No equity raise as such. Guy hands buys a big chunk of kier and takes KL as part of the deal. Debt is reduced greatly.
The deal is offered up to shareholders at EGM.

How's that?

[stdyeddy] 02/3/2021 23:52

And sicko, I just want to say that you've really come out of your shell over the last couple of months. I've seen you start to properly pull your own weight as part of the troll team. You used to let wolly and itchyone do ALL of the heavy-lifting.

But then itchyone fell by the wayside; my guess is that he literally had a nasty fall and is lying undiscovered in the woods where he was foraging for worms or whatever it was that he used to eat, or maybe he's on his cold bathroom floor, having skidded on his own urine, with his small head trapped under the toilet u-bend. It troubles me a little. His final bit of nastiness -- making me worry about his fate instead of just saying goodbye so that I could tell him to fk-off anyway. I genuinely miss him. Of the three of you, I think he was easily the wittiest, and probably the cleverest.

And then wolly got tired and despondent. Two years of lying his pants off has really exhausted him. The massive blow last week, where either his money, or his fabrication, were totally blown apart, has hugely diminished him. He is a shrunken wally. Detumescent, so to speak. If only the Sky News story had come out last Tuesday, eh wallz? And so you sicko, have come out of the shadows -- been forced out really -- to shoulder the troll burden, revealing your true nature; bitter, dark, deceitful and cynical. It's been refreshing to see these new sides to your character.

I wonder what the morning will bring. See you then.

[stdyeddy] 02/3/2021 23:19

I think Hands and his friends might be stake-building, btw. Just a guess.

[stdyeddy] 02/3/2021 23:13

Dasty; the drifting share price It looks mad, doesn't it? If Davies is expecting to launch a rights issue or an equity buy-in, you'd expect him to want to keep the share price up, but it seems he just doesn't know how. But I'm not sure that's really true. Way back when the hedgies were manipulating this down in the news vacuum right after year-end in June 2019, he left it a whole month before suddenly putting out an RNS that stopped the drop and caused a four-day spike with the share price trebling. A bunch of investors were begging him to say something, so he did. And it worked.

Now this situation. My guess is that he's had a lot of people telling him to do something and he's wanted to see what the reaction to the Sky News story is before acting. Kesterton at his elbow, and the major shareholders, will let him know that the equity raise is in jeopardy if the share price sinks, so my guess is that he will put out some news. Eventually. If he doesn't, there'll be no raise and we could be languishing down here at around £1 for another year perhaps and he'll never get his one million share performance bonus.

But I've got to say that the reluctance to communicate, when Kier is such a high profile business in other areas, is just stupefying. How many businesses announce contract wins -- of any type -- every few days and hospitals and schools handovers, and major road programs etc at the rate that Kier does?

There hasn't even been an official statement to say that the H1 accounts, which have traditionally been published in March every year for ages, have been pushed back a month. It's just there on the financial calendar with no remark, for a company which has appeared to skirt close to financial failure for a while.

Maybe Davies and his team just don't see Kier that way. Maybe they're feeling totally confident and secure. It's just the shareholders who are anxious. And sicko's comment the other day about management not being worried about anything other than the job at hand, is totally fair. A well-rounded CEO would take on the public performance part of the role with enthusiasm; but that's not who Davies is. He's the quiet man. Safe pair of hands. Not panicking. He's busy running the company. Finances are for Kesterton. Well, better people than him have ballsed-up a public company by doing the wrong thing.

Two months from now, we'll know why he was silent. And then we'll laugh about this. Maybe bitterly. I think we might as well laugh now.