Kier Share Discussion Threads

[brexitplus] 18/12/2018 10:28

Dear All

I'm sure you be interested in pages 134-5 of Prof Steve Peters excellent book "The Chimp Paradox” where he describes the following personality mindset


1 The world is a place that belongs to them and others are in THEIR world.

2 They give people a value on how they can use them to fulfil their own ambitions.

3 They dominate by believing that getting the best out of a situation means showing zero tolerance to people.

4 Compassion is seen as a weakness.

5 Others' opinions are irrelevant in most cases, as they believe their opinion is right.

6 Ignoring someone who is seen as being of little value is the best way of dealing with them.

7 Any challenges are met with hostility and aggression.

8 Any admissions to errors, or being wrong, are merely given lip service and quickly dismissed.

REMIND YOU OF ANYONE POSTING HERE?!!! I BELIEVE WE HAVE SEEN ALL OF THESE BEHAVIOURS HERE FROM A CERTAIN PERSON.

This is called an Alpha Wolf mindset.

Prof Peters goes on

"The Alpha Wolf has varying degrees of being a dictator or a control freak and genuinely believes that this is the best way forward as they are best at decision making and doing things. The people along the way are seen as weak. Popularity is never an issue as their success and ego are paramount.

This mindset is often found in business and those with it can be quite up in organisations, where they "chew-up" the pack, using aggression to prove and use their position.

The Alpha Wolf's power is respected and feared but the ALPHA WOLF ITSELF IS NOT RESPECTED.”

[brexitplus] 18/12/2018 10:18

Obviously no sympathy whatsoever for those killed on “smart motorways.”

Kier share price is all that matters.

[minerve] 18/12/2018 10:08

To others, be careful, brexit has an alternative agenda on this thread which is to antagonise me and attempt to discredit me. Just be aware of that. He will not be looking at the facts objectively and his posts will be biased to being a bear because he knows I am a bull here. Sad isn't it. Nevermind, Minerve can handle these weak men.

[brexitplus] 18/12/2018 09:52

Re smart motorways, there have been a number of very serious accidents with associated deaths over the past couple of years. Concern is justified.

[ygor705] 17/12/2018 17:04

When will we know what the take up on the rights has been? If the underwriters have been stuffed I suspect that the rights price will be the ceiling share price for some little time to come.

[zicopele] 17/12/2018 15:37

We are way beyond sweating a small decision like smart motorways.

This baby is falling.

Smart motorways will not save the bacon

[minerve] 17/12/2018 12:31

lewis121

There was a BBC article yesterday about a few MPs wanting to halt smart motorway development on safety concerns. Hopefully the movement will not achieve critical mass. Just one to watch.

[lewis121] 17/12/2018 11:48

Me too. I was thinking of not throwing good money after bad after a 55% hit, but I still rate the company, so I'm in.
Lovely roadworks and hospitals.

[minerve] 17/12/2018 11:29

I've decided to take my full rights entitlement.

[minerve] 17/12/2018 10:10

I'd personally go for the rights if you want to add - when the share price is close. It depends on what type of investor you are. If you like to follow the company and be part of its success, irrespective of what the circus on the market think from day-to-day, then buy the rights. I think being a more engaged investor increases your own chances of success as-long-as you don't let the attachment cloud your judgement. Getting involved in the rights is an action that reaffirms your engagement.

[kangaroo joe] 17/12/2018 09:50

I have as only modest holding and cash was in broker's account and price was hovering around 411 when I emailed them, so hope it's not a disaster.

[grahamnash] 17/12/2018 09:26

Morning. Is anybody taking up their rights issue?

[grahamburn] 14/12/2018 16:59

When I saw GRS's response to your post 1560, Minerve, I thought you had written something of import. So - having had you on filter for most of this year (due to your behaviour on other BBs - I thought I'd unfilter you but was sorry to see that you are still spouting your usual diatribes against all and sundry. So back on filter you go as you clearly still have very little to say which is worthwhile and what you do have to say is certainly not polite (eg 1562).

Thank you GRS for your compliment, though to be fair many years of serious and dedicated investment research made it a no-brainer. In case Minerve doubts it, my earlier post was NOT hindsight.... it was reporting on an actual investment decision (not something for which Minerve is known to excel). OK it may not pay off, but it reduces any downside risk should that happen.

[ali47fish] 14/12/2018 15:07

i ve tried to see if i can sell my nil paid rights but i get a notification online that i cant trade-the broker is not sure and speculating that the market makers aresettingtherice / or stopped trading? anyone knows?

[gettingrichslow] 14/12/2018 14:31

Minerve, I don't think you've read Graham's post carefully enough. Read it again. He is pointing out a mis-pricing opportunity that you could have taken advantage of if you had spotted it. There is no hindsight involved. I've often looked for such mis-pricing opportunities and have noticed a few in the past but very rarely. Well spotted Graham!

[grahamburn] 14/12/2018 14:20

I know this won't help a decision today regarding the nil paid rights, but the trick was to sell those at the back end of last week when they had a little value (7 to 8p) and to buy the ordinaries in the market when they were over 20p less than the rights price. It was a very strange mis-pricing of both securities which gave some added benefit to the nimble footed. That's of course on the assumption that you wanted to add to your overall holding for the medium to long term.

[marksp2011] 14/12/2018 13:41

I bought 2k at 381 saving £560 on the rights price

[azioni2] 14/12/2018 12:44

Just checked my account with ii, it shows 1.25 and today is the last day to either buy or sell with them. After that is the lapsed value....if any!

[jeffian] 14/12/2018 11:29

My Hargreaves account is currently showing the Nil Paid Rights on a spread of 1.82/2p but I'm not sure if that is right. Whether you get anything for lapsed Rights depends what they get in the market on the day.

[azioni2] 14/12/2018 10:58

Is there any value attached to lapsed rights?

[ali47fish] 14/12/2018 10:13

and i havent bought in the market- given the cureent price i am minded to let ity lapse!