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[spittingbarrel] 20/12/2018 18:18

zho - That's exactly what I found, I searched Martin Lewis's site and found nothing. granny, always cross reference your facts before posting or you risk making a complete t*t of yourself.

[fireplace22] 20/12/2018 18:01

Looks like a scam.

Martin Lewis poll:



Good luck making anything of it.

[zho] 20/12/2018 17:54

spittingbarrel,

>>how about a link to the moneysavingexpert poll?>>

When I searched I could find references to the poll on the Westmonster site and on Tommy Robinson's FB page, but not on Martin Lewis' FB page.

Martin Lewis' twitter feed did mention a poll and said "reweighting the poll on the 48:52 split, 63% total support 2nd ref, 37% no deal", close to the Yougov poll which said "... in a referendum between staying in the EU and leaving on the terms that the government has negotiated, staying enjoys an 18-point lead: 59-41%."

[brucie5] 20/12/2018 17:28

Fireplace, all this talk of a second referendum...puts the wind up the brexiteers who strongly suspect the country has changed its mind. It's like a surgeon persuading a man with a sore leg to get an amputation. As the patient is wheeled, screaming into theatre, the surgeon insists that to stop the operation would be an infringement of the patient's original right to make the decision in the first place.

But whose leg is it?

[spittingbarrel] 20/12/2018 16:35

granny - how about a link to the moneysavingexpert poll?

[grannyboy] 20/12/2018 16:20

Now why would anyone tick up a post which is plainly a LIE?!!!

As two individuals have with that FOOL spittingbarrel's post 70677...

[grannyboy] 20/12/2018 16:15

FOOL!!! The poll was run by Martin Lewis's MoneySavingExpert...Nothing whatsoever to do with Aaron Banks..

It was just brought to everyone's attention by westmonster seeing has those who are rabidly pushing for a 'people's vote' wouldn't want this result to be widely known...

[spittingbarrel] 20/12/2018 16:05

Westmonster.com!!! Ah yes, the outfit funded by Aaron Banks and who funds Aaron Banks? Well that's a matter that's under police investigation but quite possibly Russian money.

[spittingbarrel] 20/12/2018 15:46

It speaks volumes that the two biggest foreign cheerleaders of Brexit are Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump. Two corrupt demagogues intent on personal enrichment and destroying the international order. These are not our friends.

[fireplace22] 20/12/2018 15:28

We have two options currently running, no deal and Mays deal, most MP's would support May's agreement if the backstop were removed, pressure is being applied by the Govt. by contingency planning for no deal - as March 31st gets closer it is only the likelihood of no deal that will result in removal of the backstop by the EU. All this talk of a new referendum does nothing but undermine the Govts/Our position.

[maxk] 20/12/2018 15:26

Nice one zho.

A nice finely balanced article from the remain daily bugle, with the polls stuff supplied by another neutral organisation:



Who's banner headline on their site is STOP BREXIT

[zho] 20/12/2018 14:30

Interesting article by Peter Kellne on a recent Yougov Brexit poll:

"Few erstwhile leave voters now think Brexit will make life better. Three months ago, 43% of leave voters thought Brexit would make the economy stronger. Just 12% feared it would make the economy weaker. Today, only 24% of leave voters say “stronger”, while slightly more, 26%, say “weaker”. That’s a huge, 33-point drop for “stronger” in the net difference between the two views since the beginning of September."

[taurusthebear] 20/12/2018 11:40

It is the nature of the great majority of fair-minded people to seek redress from slavery and authoritarianism. From the hegemony of unelected, overpaid bureacrats who are not held to account. A small minority seem to accept these things, and an even smaller minority advocate them... :0)

[alphorn] 19/12/2018 09:23

gersemi - so basically you run away? Is that in your nature?

[pendragon2] 19/12/2018 07:46

time to buy flybe for christmas?????

Delta, who own most of Virgin A know a lot about running regional airlines.

[pendragon2] 19/12/2018 07:42

ger - yes, democracy is at the heart of all this - a lot of Germans would agree.

Backstop - I will be astonished if the UK/Irish governments fail to discover after contacting logistic companies, carriers and shippers, say DHL, UPS etc, who already pick up customs dues from customers, that the 'backstop' will suddenly be unnecessary.

Mrs. May will then get her deal and be praised to the rafters by the Tory sychophants including the gawky west country yokel in his hand me down double breasted suit.

[blusteradjuster] 19/12/2018 07:39

“Sovereign, self-governing”;

Have you taken a look at Parliament recently?

“Vermin” replacing “vermin” every 5 years - if a bunch of extremists don’t usurp the chosen leader in between times.


Great innit?

[blusteradjuster] 19/12/2018 07:30

Indeed Brucie.

Perhaps those troops will need water cannons - Boris can get a good deal on a set.

[gersemi] 19/12/2018 06:27

The entire Brexit debate is illuminating in itself. It serves to highlight the difference between those who believe in democratic politics (strong mechanisms allowing the private voter to hold to account the vermin that populate the modern political class) and those who believe the political class should be allowed to govern without accountability (less democracy, more absolutism). The former is the Eurosceptic way in which the governing class (including leeching civil servants and personal advisers) are removed should they fail to fulfil the wishes of those who elected them in the first place. The latter is the Eurofascism or Jean Monnet way in which the governing class becomes absolutely distant from democratic control and the mechanisms used to impose control are slowly and surreptitiously dismantled

The UK must become a sovereign, self-governing democracy once more. We must weaken the grip of German economic imperialism that's infected British politics now for many years. The Italians are now suffering this very fate as Germany (the owner of huge amounts of Italian sovereign debt and therefore the owner of considerable leverage over how the Italians run their affairs) dictates to the Italian government who they can and who they cannot appoint to their cabinet.

We want no more Merkel influence. No more Juncker influence. No more Barnier. No more Irish government.

We should participate with our common neighbours and remain on close terms but incestuous relationships are never healthy

[taurusthebear] 19/12/2018 06:02

No wonder the West is heading into recession when Xmas wind-down begins ever earlier. One week became two, and now threatens three.

Looks like the DUP now hold the key to Brexit. Come on Arlene! If you can't blame May for that, what CAN you blame her for? Have an angst-free Xmas. :0)

[brucie5] 18/12/2018 18:06

Yes, I'm afraid this is an exhausting business, and I feel my Christmas hibernation instincts overcoming my natural sense of anger at what the Right have got us into. What is it now? Troops on the streets?

Now that wasn't on the bus either.

Hey ho. Or should that be, Ho Ho.

Have a good one.