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[careful] 11/5/2020 19:01

How can you talk about the defeat of Germany without mentioning Russia.
23 million dead Russians, 92% of all German killed were on the Russian front.

A team effort, we all did our bit, but let us not distort history.
Adolf invaded Russia with 3m troops.
The scale was enormous.

[grahamnash] 11/5/2020 18:54

Sorry to change the subject from the 2WW, but out of curiosity does anyone here know the relative risk of dying from an aircraft crash compared to a 20 year old dying from Covid?
As I understand it, Japan declared war on US. They planned to do it an hour before planes arrived at Pearl Harbour, but messed up the time difference in Washington and did it afterwards. Germany and Italy then forced to declare war on US by Triple Alliance. Economically, US were major winners from the war as they effectively inherited the British empire and the trade that went with it. US considered investing heavily in UK but chose W Germany instead.

[isis] 11/5/2020 18:49

Not the point - they still lost. The victors were quick to point them on the right track after what happened after WW1 and Germany which led to WW2 - so they didn't wan't the risk of that happening again.

[hamhamham1] 11/5/2020 18:04

I don't see that Germany and Japan came off badly from ww2. All that investment and rebuilding rocketed them forward economically.

[isis] 11/5/2020 17:30

Fact is no single Country won it. It was a World War - We can say without doubt though Japan and Germany lost the plot and the Wars.

[wilc42] 11/5/2020 17:11

But, and here is the real question. Would the USA have officially joined in had Pearl Harbour tragically not have occurred. Whilst there was a strong leasing agreement for boats and non military supplies and Eagle Squadrons, their was no direct engagement by the US government before that. It would have been a close thing. Bloody glad and eternally grateful they did.

[isis] 11/5/2020 17:02

Maybe so but Japan and Germany forced them into it. Not the UK.

[isis] 11/5/2020 16:36

People who keep posting on these threads that the US joined the 2nd World War to help out the UK obviously do not realise that it was actually Germany that declared War on the US after Pearl Harbour - so they really had no choice:-

Seventy-Seventh Congress of the United States of America;
At the First Session Begun and held at the City of Washington, on Friday, the third day of January, 1941.

JOINT RESOLUTION Declaring That a State of War Exists Between The Government of Germany and the Government and the People of the United States and Making Provisions To Prosecute The Same

Whereas the Government of Germany has formally declared war against the Government and the people of the United States of America: Therefore be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the state of war between the United States and the Government of Germany which has thus been thrust upon the United States is hereby formally declared; and the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the United States and the resources of the Government to carry on war against the Government of Germany; and, to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States.

[montyhedge] 11/5/2020 15:45

18 months.

[silkstag] 11/5/2020 15:33

Write offs on IAG surplus planes will clearly be more than 100% of market cap. Board working for creditors and to protect about 1/3 of jobs (or 1/2 if assume multiple other competitors disappear completely). Share price target nominal 5p in July 2021 restructuring. Secured creditors target 80p in £. All imho. DYOR

[demo trader] 11/5/2020 14:25

World's second-oldest airline (after KLM) AVIANKA files for Chapter 11

[montyhedge] 11/5/2020 14:19

14 day quarantine, final nail.

[loganair] 11/5/2020 14:11

How many cabin crew Qatar Airways is laying off:

While this is still subject to change, it’s my understanding that Qatar Airways will lay off over 5,000 of their 13,000+ cabin crew, including:

..350 Cabin Service Directors
..650 Cabin Seniors
2,000 First & Business Class Crew
2,200 Economy Class Crew

As of now the plan is apparently to lay off the following:

New crew that haven’t yet completed training
Crew that have been at the airline for less than six months
Crew that are currently outside of Qatar due to entry restrictions
Crew that have been at the airline for 15+ years


Those are some massive layoffs, and makes you wonder what exactly Qatar Airways’ fleet plans are, given what a modern fleet they have. It’s not like they have that many old planes to retire.

[montyhedge] 11/5/2020 13:48

135p my target.

[spob] 11/5/2020 13:34

contrarian and also sitting on your hands and trading as little as possible

[waikenchan] 11/5/2020 13:28

The big money is made being a contriarian.

[knowing] 11/5/2020 13:18

So may now not ramp up in July

[spob] 11/5/2020 13:16

Hope BA goes bust

can't stand that Willie Walsh tbh

also, thought it was unbelievable that Ryanair was stopped from buying Aer Lingus

and yet BA with a monopoly on Heathrow slots was allowed to buy it

[silkstag] 11/5/2020 12:33

Willie Walsh, chief executive of British Airways owner IAG, said it was more bad news for the travel industry.

"There's nothing positive in anything I heard the Prime Minister say yesterday," he told MPs on parliament's Transport Select Committee.