Intelligent Energy Share Discussion Threads

[ibug] 23/6/2017 10:13

There is a problem showing off book trades...so quite a number of social trading websites are only showing Order Book Trades. Sites affected are google finance, yahoo finance, advfn and the London Exchange site etc...but the London south east seems unaffected so far this week but their reports can be misleading.

[investorfc expert] 23/6/2017 10:03

Why stock price is not visible on LSE?

[ibug] 23/6/2017 08:38

The loan agreement is all about risk management and security for the lender.

The risks for the company are diminishing every month as more revenue generative developments are put into place.

The risks for the business today are far less than when the loan was made a year ago. There is virtually no chance of the loan company calling in the loan under a Covertible Bond agreement when repayments are being made every month.

Take a look at the template for a CLN posted below....the lender would have made the loan as secure as possible. That example was created by a lender based in Singapore which is the same for Meditor I believe.

A lender would not want to own IEH they just want income with security.

A typical CLN agreement can be found on the following website:

GOING FORWARD IEH PROSPECTS ARE LOOKING VERY GOOOD INDEED...THIS IS A TURN AROUND STORY TAKING PLACE.

[ibug] 23/6/2017 08:23

That wont be happening for very good reasons imo.

[bjfanc] 23/6/2017 08:14

If the CB holder/s were to convert a proportion of their holdings early into equity. This would send a very strong conifident signal to the market. Whether they would do it, is another story.

[ibug] 23/6/2017 05:54

BIG GOV H2 and EV Backing ----- Government has committed to laying out an ‘Automated and Electric Vehicles Bill’, which will “Ensure we retain our position as a global leader in the market for electric vehicles.”

According to background documents released alongside the speech, the legislation will help to “improve national charging and hydrogen refuelling infrastructure.”




“This means investing in a range of technologies, including plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEV) and the infrastructure of charging stations required to support their growth.

“Commercial vehicles have a significant role to play in urban air quality, and we are already working on a trial with Transport for London and fleet customers including the Metropolitan Police, who will be operating 20 PHEV Transit vans in London starting later this year.”

[ibug] 22/6/2017 18:36

PEM FC MEMBRANE FUEL CELLS ----- Here is an interesting article about PEM FUEL CELLS which IEH has plenty of patents and currently manufacturers; they have an energy to mass ratio of 98% efficiency.

The Hydrogen-Fuel cell will revolutionize the economy of the world

PEMFC as an optimal solution for the future energy economy

Polymer electrolyte membrane or proton exchange membrane fuel cell (PEMFC), where chemical energy is directly converted to electrical energy, provides a highly efficient alternative to a standard internal combustion engine. High power density, clean emissions (water), low temperature operation, rapid start-up and shutdown, and ability to use fuels from renewable sources are several reason why fuel cells such as PEMFC have attracted attention for large market applications, such as transportation. With these unique features, PEMFC will revolutionize the future energy economy.

Modern applications for PEMFC

PEMFC will indirectly make water our future fuel. Hydrogen and oxygen generated by splitting water using photosynthesis can be used as a fuel for PEMFC. PEMFC are leading candidates to power the space shuttle and other mobile applications even down to mobile phones, however, there are still some important issues that must be resolved in order for PEMFC to be commercially competitive. It is known that splitting a hydrogen molecule at the anode of fuel cell using platinum is relatively easy. Unfortunately however, splitting the oxygen molecule at the cathode of fuel cell (oxygen reduction reaction (, ORR)) is more difficult and this causes significant polarization losses (lowers efficiency of the fuel cell). An appropriate catalyst for this process has not been discovered and as of yet platinum is the best option.

IEH appear to have overcome many of the technical problems with their innovative designs however to read more of that article follow the link.

[ibug] 22/6/2017 18:17

DEAN -- SO far checked out four fuel cell firms and none have the range or number of patents that IEH has secured...most like Linde Group are either operating in power to fuel production or are just marketing Uni/ research lab patented fuel cells under their own brand names.

The only anomaly so far are the Chinese manufacturers. So it may be said that IEH is very much a world leader who need to continue to get their message out and comercialize their products.

We are currently seeing a steady stream of successes and it looks like that trend will continue because they have the advantage of controlling their own technology. While others are buying or leasing the inventions in from other firms or Universities.

Therefore IEH has the upper hand in the expertise stakes and possibly coming soon the ability to scale up manufacturing.

[ibug] 22/6/2017 17:52

Here is the latest weekly edition of Hydrogen news:



Use this for daily news:

[dean windass] 22/6/2017 17:49

I suppose, since the DIGIMAN project will be talking components and tech right now along with production and assembly ideas, it is becoming increasingly clear from the design of the fuel cells and the components to be ordered in bulk for the 50,000 HFCs to be made for use in cars by 2020 how much IEH IP is being used. Once the production lines are set up, I see no reason why the IEH IP and tech used should be limited to 50,000 units .... fascinating times ... this is interesting



and this article at Forbes


shows how much HFCs are used by companies like Pfizer in the US ... we all know Apple and a few other companies love HFCs ..... I wonder when it'll happen in the UK? Soon, the UK is going to have to bite the bullet and either upgrade the national grid ready for EVs or plump for hydrogen ..... I'm certain hydrogen is going to win ... simply because so many people live in places where they cannot charge their car ... what about on street parking, multi-storey car parks ....? Are all these going to be retrofitted with EV charging points? How does the recharging system work? Who pays for the electric? Spending a lot of time in Norway, you increasingly see people sat in their Teslas waiting for them to charge ... whilst other cars crack on .... we'll see who wins this soon enough ...

[dean windass] 22/6/2017 17:34

Would I be right in thinking IEH get paid by companies to co-operate and allow companies access to their IP and tech and this results in the likes of Samsung issuing their own patents which themselves include IEH tech?

It'd be weird if NO IEH tech was in any of the products of patents coming from the companies IEH are working with ...

Now, I noticed a piece about some scientists in China two days ago who have developed flexible fuel cells .... yet IEH already have something similar patented earlier this year ... here and IEH are still applying for patents ...

[dean windass] 22/6/2017 17:26

Here's the kind of stuff we need to research .....

but first, here's an important, independent, quote from "Fuel Cell Industry & Patent Overview 2015"

"Despite these countries having a small number of companies, some are very prominent players such as Canada-based Ballard Power Systems and Intelligent Energy from the United Kingdom"

This comes from and I strongly suggest people read it.

A Samsung patent .... notice the IEH patent cited? Even when Samsung invent something and apply for a patent, they have to refer to tech / IP used in the system or device they are patenting which is itself patented and owned by other companies. If not, the examiner cites existing patents .... it looks as though many new patents in the HFC sector use IEH patents from years ago.



There are about 10 IEH patents cited in this patent

[edwardroger] 22/6/2017 17:17

Good news for everyone in the whole world, and you heard it here first, Buggie boy. What if Santa Clause decided to buy his hydrogen-powered sleigh from IEH, they are producing a really nice line this season down in Loughborough. Think of all the elves who would then go out and buy IEH's fuel cells to provide power to their tiny homes and work places. Then there are the Trolls. Wow! Once the Trolls get wind of the potential of hydrogen power they will be on it like a sheep on a wire fence. This is a huge potential market for hydrogen, only hope IEH get into it, just like all the other stuff that Buggie boy keeps posting. What a wonderful world it is. How's the paranoia meter doing, Buggie?

[dean windass] 22/6/2017 17:15

Oh yes ... you can buy kits to inject hydrogen into a petrol engine on ebay. You simply add hydrogen (which you make yourself at home by electrolysis) in to the air mix in the carburettor (I think this is right) and you get the same explosion in the cyclinder using less petrol. Not something I'd recommend since I have no idea what a car insurance company would think about that kind of a modification to your vehicle.

What was the deal with the 100k shares traded towards the end of play today? 100,000 went through as a sell at 7.2 then 100,000 went through at 7.5 as a buy?

Is someone taking all the shares available at this price? .... we saw the first sells for a few days today ..... interesting stuff .... I wonder if news is leaking out regarding the DIGIMAN project? I presume the suppliers of HFC components will be involved since, if these 50,000 HFCs are going to be built by 2020, first, the components need to be ordered, made, delivered and assembled ... component manufacturers themselves may need to design and construct the production lines for making the components ....

I wonder when we'll get news about how much IEH IP is in HFCs built all over the world?

[ibug] 22/6/2017 14:21

Have you read about Carbon Dioxide being converted into Ethanol or Methanol that can either be used to power a petrol engine or a fuel cell.

That is an amazing development because of all the carbon capture developments over the last many years.

And it is also interesting to note that the petrol engine has been powered by hydrogen---that was developed and proved viable in the 1970's showing the petrol engine actually performed better using H2. Check that out on YouTube.

[dean windass] 22/6/2017 14:16

More good news!!

from

"Multifunctional catalyst for poison-resistant hydrogen fuel cells
KYUSHU UNIVERSITY, I2CNER

CREDIT: KYUSHU UNIVERSITY

Japanese collaboration develops catalyst that can oxidize both hydrogen and carbon monoxide to produce energy

Kyushu, Japan--Demand for eco-friendly fuel sources is increasing as the goal of weaning off our reliance on fossil fuels becomes commonly recognized. Hydrogen represents a possible sustainable fuel source when it is produced from water and burned with oxygen because only water is released as a by-product. The oxidation of hydrogen to release energy and water using fuel cells containing catalysts is being researched intensively. However, catalysts used in hydrogen oxidation generally suffer from poisoning by carbon monoxide, which is present as a contaminant in commercial hydrogen gas. Thus, the ability to oxidize both hydrogen and carbon monoxide in the same reaction system is an attractive prospect to avoid catalyst poisoning and increase the efficiency of energy production from hydrogen.

A collaboration led by Kyushu University has recently developed a catalyst that can oxidize both hydrogen and carbon monoxide depending on the pH of the reaction system. The catalyst mimics the behavior of two enzymes: hydrogenase in acidic media (pH 4-7) and carbon monoxide dehydrogenase in basic media (pH 7-10). The catalyst is a water-soluble complex containing nickel and iridium metal atoms with a unique "butterfly" structure. The researchers investigated the ability of their catalyst to oxidize hydrogen, carbon monoxide, and a 1:1 mixture of these gases. Importantly, they were able to isolate various intermediates in the oxidation processes to confirm the mechanisms of hydrogen and carbon monoxide oxidation by the catalyst.

"We found that the catalyst reacted with hydrogen to form a hydride complex under acidic conditions," says first author Professor Seiji Ogo, Faculty of Engineering/ International Institute for Carbon-Neutral Energy Research (WPI-I2CNER), Kyushu University. "In addition, the catalyst readily coordinated with carbon monoxide, which was oxidized to carbon dioxide, under basic conditions."

The team then investigated the resistance of their catalyst to poisoning by carbon monoxide in a prototype fuel cell using feed gases of hydrogen, carbon monoxide, and a 1:1 mixture of the two. The power density of the fuel cell containing the catalyst depended on the system pH and feed gas composition. Oxidation of hydrogen by the catalyst was facilitated at low pH (acidic conditions) and oxidation of carbon monoxide was faster at high pH (basic conditions); these trends correspond well with the behavior observed for the related enzymes.

"The ability of our catalyst to use both hydrogen and carbon monoxide as energy sources represents an important advance in hydrogen technology," explains Ogo.

It is anticipated that catalysts for hydrogen oxidation that can resist carbon monoxide poisoning will allow development of hydrogen fuels cells with improved performance, representing another step on the path towards the ultimate aim of a sustainable society."

[ibug] 22/6/2017 14:16

On the LSE the trolls are coming out --- we had a couple here earlier...they are people who don't read the detail and who make false assumptions. As said before many times there are plenty of options in the melting pot imo.


I have answered that posters wild assumptions...lol

[ibug] 22/6/2017 14:14

Posted the intro about that development --- Norway is converting its economy in a domestic H2 powered economy. But they have just advertised for tenders for about 120 untapped oil wells. So a conflict of interest but at least the oil-gas industry can finance the H2 industry going forward.

[dean windass] 22/6/2017 14:14

Someone posted on LSE

"Beebing,

I think you're missing the point. Meditor have the right to convert the existing loan at a price of 8p. If they do so - and they can do that at any point up to maturity of the loan notes - then they will own over 60% of the company. It's not up to IEH, it's up to Meditor.

I agree it may be in IEH's interests to renegotiate the terms of the convertibles, but why would Meditor agree to anything less favourable to them than they have already? IEH are very much at Meditor's mercy here.

If cashflows do grow substantially such that the company doesn't need to raise any further funds, then Meditor will just buy the company for 8p a share.

The company may well be worth a lot more than 8pps; but as Meditor can buy it at that price, why would anyone else pay more than 8p?

Unexpected things may change, but for now I wouldn't touch this at anything over 8p.

GLA
Otherwys"

I can't see why it's in the interests of Meditor to drive out of business or even own or take over a company in which they are so heavily invested ... even from before the CLNs were issued .... they want IEH to thrive and think they WILL thrive, otherwise they wouldn't have loaned so much dosh ... but you can't blame them for wanting the security of first call on the IP .... the value of the IP should dwarf the value of money owed to Meditor ....

[ibug] 22/6/2017 14:11

DEAN --- I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ONE AS I did with Ballard Energy. But you are right; the sector has at least five other competitors that includes Linde Group, Plug Power, GenCell and a few others.

Linde Group was accused this week of market corruption. They are also collaborating with Prax Air; who are the worlds largest supplier of H2, in Germany.

So, yes a survey is in order but I expect IEH to be the IP world leader with 1800+ patents and applications. Ballard only have a small number mainly concentrated in the 100KW and 200KW for higher power applications.

[dean windass] 22/6/2017 14:10

Have you already posted about the trucks in Trondheim powered by hydrogen? Or did I post it yesterday?



This is growing really quickly and don't forget that Norway is up to its eyeballs in Hydrogen .... but it wants clean air and politically, any party with a rubbish environmental policy gets slaughtered at elections.

I'm in Norway now and have had some good chats with Statoil execs about the company's diversification into Hydrogen, much of which isn't in the public domain since they are chasing their own IP ... like IEH ....

I will be in Svalbard and the north of Norway in a couple of weeks ..... because H2 and HFCs work at low temperatures when batteries fail, building wind turbines in remote places in the north and using surplus electric to produce hydrogen makes far more sense than, for example, having a power station in Bødø or Tromsø and sending the electric up to Kirkenes etc. Norway can also sell the electric over the border to Finland and Sweden if necessary ... though, of course, they too will be running their own wind turbines and producing hydrogen .... "but Norway has loads of rain and hydro-electric" I hear someone say ..... have you ever tried generating hydro from water that's frozen? For large parts of the year, hydro is terrible and electric gets expensive when there is little rain or the rivers and lakes are frozen. So, look for growth in this market in Russia, Canada, Scandinavia .... and it will almost certainly be used a lot in Greenland (where I will also be in a couple of weeks) ... where there is a lot of minerals to ve extracted but put getting power where it's needed is a problem ...

"Heavy-duty trucks will soon be driving around in Trondheim, Norway, fuelled by hydrogen created with solar power, and emitting only pure water vapour as "exhaust." Not only will hydrogen technology revolutionize road transport, it will also enable ships and trains to run emission-free.

Norway's role as a pioneer in the field of hydrogen technology started more than a century ago at a waterfall. In the steep mountain valley of Rjukan, an engineer and a businessman recognized the potential of the Vemork hydroelectric power station as a way to ensure food production for an ever-growing population. Kristian Birkeland and Sam Eyde wanted to build a factory to manufacture Norwegian fertilizers under the brand name "Norsk Hydro." An architecturally futuristic hydrogen factory was built next to the power station. After its completion in 1929, it became a tourist attraction between the steep mountains of Rjukan.

Since then, most Norwegian hydrogen research has been conducted in various laboratories at Gløshaugen in Trondheim. In 1951 the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU), then known as the Norwegian Institute of Technology (NTH), established its own electrochemical engineering institute. This research community has played a key role in what has become a major Norwegian electrochemical industry. Today, behind closed doors at SINTEF, top secret technology is being developed -- funded by a number of Norwegian and international industrial companies, including the suppliers of electrolysis technology for hydrogen production. Recently, NTNU and SINTEF won a contract with a manufacturer of fuel cell electric vehicles that run on hydrogen and emit only water vapour.

Fuel cell research since the 1980s

NTNU and SINTEF have been working to develop fuel cell technology since the 1980s. In recent years, research and development activities at SINTEF have contributed to some major breakthroughs. Fuel cells have already become competitive in some niche markets, says Steffen Møller-Holst, Vice-President Marketing at SINTEF.

"In Japan, 150,000 fuel cells have been installed households to generate power and heat," Møller-Holst says. "In the US, more than 10,000 hydrogen-powered forklifts are operating in warehouses and distribution centres."

He and his research colleagues are now working actively to implement hydrogen technology in Norway with a focus on the transport sector. SINTEF's project portfolio currently comprises forklifts, heavy-duty trucks and ferries.

"In Germany, the first fuel cell train is already undergoing trials, and Norway is one of many European countries that is now considering hydrogen-powered trains based on the conclusions of a study carried out by SINTEF for the Norwegian Railroad Administration," says Møller-Holst.

Innovative Asian countries have taken the lead into commercializing fuel cells to power passenger cars. The Korean and Japanese car manufacturers are currently world leaders in a technological transition triggered by the challenges of global warming.

Møller-Holst returned less than two months ago from a three-week stay in Japan, where he held meetings with leading industrial companies that are eager to draw on the knowledge that SINTEF and NTNU have acquired over the last thirty years.

"SINTEF has been involved in 20 hydrogen-related EU-funded projects since 2010, about half of which are still running. This makes SINTEF a significant player in a European context," says Møller-Holst.

Major investments in hydrogen by the Japanese are good news for SINTEF researchers who are already closely involved with some of the key players in the country.

But why is Japan investing so heavily in hydrogen? The rationale is that more than 90 per cent of the country's energy demand is currently covered by imported fossil energy sources. Hence, the Japanese are not just interested in hydrogen as a fuel for transport, but also for stationary power generation. In order to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, Japan has already entered into an agreement with Australia to import of hydrogen from 2020.

"SINTEF has been involved both scientifically and politically, promoting Norway as a supplier of hydrogen to Japan based on our extensive energy resources," says Møller-Holst.

Norway's largest food wholesaler, ASKO, will have its first hydrogen-powered lorries on its way in 2018. Image lent from ASKO. In fact, transport is not the only sector in which hydrogen will play a key role. Across the globe, countries deploying an increasing number of wind farms and photovoltaic power plants. However, it is not always possible to use all the wind power that is generated when it is windy, nor from the sun on a sunny day. This surplus electricity has to be stored, which makes producing hydrogen an attractive alternative.

"The German industrial giant Siemens has concluded that hydrogen is the best storage option for energy capacities greater than 10 GWh. More than 30 per cent of the power generation in Germany is covered by wind and solar sources, and pilot testing of hydrogen as a storage medium is well underway, "says Møller-Holst.

Batteries too large, heavy and costly

Møller-Holst is convinced that in order to meet our emissions targets, we have to consider many applications, including goods transport by road, rail and ship. No other technology can compete with hydrogen when it comes to emission-free long-haul transport.

That's why ASKO, Norway's largest food wholesaler, is aiming to have its first hydrogen-powered delivery trucks on the roads in 2018. In doing so, it will probably be the first hauler in Europe with a small fleet of heavy-duty hydrogen vehicles. SINTEF has helped initiate and worked closely with the effort. The project manager is Anders Ødegård, who works at SINTEF's Department of Sustainable Energy Technology.

"The use of batteries to power heavy duty trucks would be very expensive," says Ødegård. "They would also be so large and heavy that the trucks' payload capacity would be considerably reduced. We have to obey the laws of physics and respect material-related constraints."

There is no doubt that electrical drive trains will replace conventional mechanical fossil-based propulsion in the future and that batteries will become very important in all transport segments. However, hydrogen becomes an increasingly good option if vehicles are heavier and have a longer distance to go. This brings us to the railway sector, for which politicians foresee a greater share of freight transport as a means of reducing emissions.

Heading north -- with hydrogen

For many years, politicians have suggested that Norway's longest railway line (Nordlandsbanen) be made emission-free -- in the traditional way. In other words, politicians believe that today's diesel operation should be replaced by electrification, using pylons and overhead lines.

In the spring of 2015, Møller-Holst and his colleagues at SINTEF completed a study for the Norwegian National Rail Administration (JBV) demonstrating that it was possible to operate several of Norway's railway lines, including Nordlandsbanen, emission-free.

In fact, the report concluded that between EUR 36 and 45 billion can be saved annually on the line from Steinkjer to Bodø (along Nordlandsbanen) if battery- or hydrogen-powered trains were used instead of traditional electrification.

"The report reached a consensus, based on individual experts' statements obtained during the project, including those from the JBV's own specialists and SINTEF's interdisciplinary team," says Møller-Holst, who led the study.

"Prior to 2020 biodiesel should replace fossil diesel fuel as an interim solution. Then, in the early 2020s, investments in battery-powered trains will be the most attractive option," he said. "From the mid 2020s, hydrogen is the solution that best fulfils the various requirements that apply for freight trains on the future railroad network."

Four regions in Germany are currently taking the lead internationally. They have commissioned 100 hydrogen-powered passenger trains. The first is already undergoing trials and the technology is expected to be ready for freight trains before 2025. Møller-Holst argues that Norway should follow the Germans in using hydrogen, and suggests starting with Raumabanen when it comes to passenger trains and Nordlandsbanen for freight trains.

A "wind-wind" situation

Across the fjord from the city of Trondheim there is a mountain chain that the locals call "the Fosen Alps." This is where Statkraft and TrønderEnergi will construct Europe's largest wind farm. The wind blows intensively on Fosen all year round, which makes for enormous potential. Annual production from this wind farm alone is expected to reach 3.5 TWh (terawatt hours) of renewable energy, and will be sufficient to supply electricity to Trondheim's entire population of 170,000.

"Currently, both NTNU and SINTEF are providing decision support to TrønderEnergi as part of the company's evaluation of the possibility of producing hydrogen from the surplus wind energy," says Møller-Holst.

Many other stakeholders across Norway are also making the similar assessments looking into hydrogen production. This includes Glomfjord, at a hydroelectric power plant that was a 'gemini' plant to that at Rjukan -the cradle of the industrial boom created close to a century ago when Norsk Hydro started producing hydrogen for fertilizers.

SINTEF has recently identified as many as 10 stakeholders that intend to start hydrogen production in Norway. SINTEF is assisting several as they assess possible investments. Interest in hydrogen is really taking off.

However, energy researchers at SINTEF have plans that are even more exciting than hydrogen production from surplus renewable energy. Tommy Mokkelbost is a Senior Research Scientist working at SINTEF's Svalbard office.

"In Svalbard the impact of climate change is much more severe than in other areas on the planet," he says. "The ice around the archipelago is melting rapidly, and the glaciers are retreating at record speeds. This creates problems for polar bears in their hunting areas. Moreover, power and heat to Longyearbyen is supplied by Norway's only coal-fired power station. So what would be more natural than to transform Longyearbyen into the world's first emission-free community?"

Several options should be studied, of which hydrogen technology represents an exciting alternative, he says.

He envisages that hydrogen could be produced from wind farms located in Norway's northernmost county, Finnmark, where the wind never stops blowing, but where today's power grid capacity is very limited. Hydrogen could then be transported to Svalbard in liquid form using hydrogen tankers."

[dean windass] 22/6/2017 13:58

Ibug .... I'm about to go driving for about 4 days so my comms will be useless .... I have an idea for research for you .... have a look at IEH's competitors and see what their IP portfolio is like. It's quite possible that if they have no IP they will be leasing it from those who DO have IP. IEH have created their IP over thirty years of research ... Ballard bought the IP they sold to Volkswagen ... it might be interesting since, 8and I believe IEH use this as a selling point), IEH's IP is very useful to anyone who wants to get into this market. IEH does non-exclusive JV deals giving access to IEH's IP. In the long run, I reckon this bodes well as why go into a JV with a company that ultimately has to license IP from IEH?

Something I think I mentioned before ..... is IEH's fabulous potential to become "patent trolls" which can be very lucrative .... I had shares in Medaphor and they got hit by a patent infringement case .... their share price nosedived .... and is still falling .... I'm glad I got out relatively early .... I still think the company may do well by the way ... though I'm not tipping it (MED id the code on the LSE)... anyway, anyone who uses IEH's tech illegally may well be due a kicking ... usually companies settle out of court since it's bad enough being caught infringing patents without paying the legal bills of both sides as well ....

This is why IP is so valuable ..... but do try and check up on the IP owned by other companies providing HFCs for drones ..... I think the strategy for patent trolls is to let competitors implement the tech they don't own then give them a good kicking ... also, it's a good way of getting customers of those infringing patents to become customers of those who own the IP

[ibug] 22/6/2017 13:25

DEAN -- excellent and informative posts --- thanks :-))


IEH are presenting at the Paris Air Show today to the Pro Drone manufacturers.