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[stewjames] 15/12/2002 22:37

Bradwell, so what's your point exactly? Just because you consider the shift system unpleasant doesn't mean others agree with you. Personally I prefer working longer hours for fewer days with more complete days off.

[bradwell] 15/12/2002 22:12

Well I'd sack all 9-5ers make them all work nights,weekends and xmas, and lets see if they then think it might be worth a premium!!! gosh you day workers get it so hard!!! get real!!

As for the army playingat firefighters, should a major incident happen, they would stand no chance, then whos fault would it be???? you got it, the government!!!

[stewjames] 15/12/2002 22:12

Josh, good. As it should be. Means the government will have to take it's fair share of the blame if protracted strike action occurs and they don't put their foot down.

[josh_the_dosh] 15/12/2002 21:43

Stew

Thanks to Maggie Thatcher all employees can be sacked if they go on strike!

[stewjames] 15/12/2002 21:37

BTW, does anyone know if the government CAN sack them in principle? I'd guess there's some kind of daft employment law which protects people's jobs whilst they bunk off work (or strike if you prefer the term) but does anyone know for sure?

[brainclamp] 15/12/2002 20:47

It makes a lot of people sick that they are striking for yet another round even for a few days after doing a pile of thier holiday overtime scams.
Is this really meant to be an emergency service???
Its pathetic what they have put the country through. The government should be decreasing thier proposed offer and pushing for more changes each day they are striking as a emergency service until we can sack the lot of them - what have the government or the public got to lose?
The 19,000 strong army are doing a fantastic job, and thier enthusasm shows up the 50,000 fireshirkers we have now - with less men and better working practices.
I wouldn't put it past these ratbags to wait for a war in Iraq calls away our lads and them cynically hit us with more strikes. Sack them all now and lets get it over with.

[jaxaxe] 15/12/2002 20:38

..so what you really mean sparky is that you were defeated during the last action-(that lasted all of eight days)and the... (sorry I`m in stitches here...forgive my shakey typing.)..brains of the brigade have decided to strike for just a few hours a week...because they dont want to starve....well I want my chessnuts back that I supplied for your braizier`s for the long haul.
...I feel robbed - and cheated!

[chrismick] 15/12/2002 20:38

Josh/Clerman/Stew. i am not defending sparky but could you tell us what you do for a living?

[josh_the_dosh] 15/12/2002 20:18

sparky999

Although I admire your greed, your judgement leaves a lot to be desired!
Unfortunately for you lot your strike has put the outdated working practises of the Firebrigade open to public scrutiny, the majority of whom simply will not identify with!! The cushy days of being a Firefighter are well and truly numbered imo

Regards Josh

[stewjames] 15/12/2002 20:06

Bloody hell sparky, you lot really are an utter disgrace! I find it incredible you don't feel the slightest tinge of guilt about that particular suggestion.

I hope they sack the lot of you. Those willing to reapply for the job on the same pay would of course be given preference (I'm sure there'd be plenty of takers who are only striking because realistically they have no other choice)

[sparky999] 15/12/2002 20:00

No we haven't and we learn real fast.

[jaxaxe] 15/12/2002 19:57

....This lot of strikes must be for the (wait for it-guffaw-guffaw)-short haul...havent you dozy sods learnt your lesson yet.

[sparky999] 15/12/2002 19:51

No it isn't.It is a tactical change after the government were simply going to starve us out.The strikes will be of less duration.That way the army will still be commited.There is even talk of 9hr strikes.Maybe even just 1 a week.Funny thing is if the army are coping then they are obviously 19000 over strengh.Perhaps we could all save a few quid and sack them first.Who needs a military band for a start,and all those horses,display teams etc.

Now we will keep the forces commited with minimal financial loss.4x 9hr strikes per month would last forever but would cause a hell of alot of disruption to the government.I believe the advice came from the TUC.


It has only just started

[johnel] 15/12/2002 19:02

The strike threat for January is simply saving face.

[brainclamp] 15/12/2002 12:08

How long will you be working in that factory when a couple of million people from Eastern Europe turn up. A few of them at the factory gate after your job I reckon.
Have you got a final salary scheme pension? Will you have £300,000 to look after you in your old age?
Do you get paid while you sleep?
Can you retire at 55?
Can you go 'on the sick' for years at a time?
Do you have 2 days on, 2 nights paid sleeping, and 4 days off so you can work in a 2nd job?
Can you spend most of your working day weight training and eating and lounging around?
Do you have you job handed down to you by your family?

I doubt your £13ph looks so good now eh? Better off on the £9ph sleep duty.

[johnel] 15/12/2002 10:53

billy you've forgotten that their retirment package almost doubles their pay. If you had to put aside sufficient to get similar pension you would need double the pay.
The above question from me was wrong ofcourse employers should agree shift patterns with workers. My question should have been who should determine the manning levels employers or the union. i assume the employers responsibilty is to provide protection for us citizens and the union to increase it's membership

[billy3] 15/12/2002 10:28

I like the way they keep quoting this 'only £9 per hour' rubbish.
That is what the take home would be.
About £13 or £14 per hours gross is nearer the mark.

Is the minimum wage, or any othr wage quoted as 'net' pay ? No.

They are using the £9 per hour figure to make it sound less than it actually is.
Wouldn't it be great to leave school with no qualifications, then after a couple of years join the brigade and earn 30k.

How do I apply !

And before I get the 'you couldn't do it', I had 7 years in the army, currently work nights on which I work and am not allowed to sleep.

ps Best get all the bank holiday pay in before the next strike...nice move.

[jaxaxe] 15/12/2002 09:46

..Both ! but it`s all tripe is another strike -the fire workers wont go through all the humiliation of being laughed at and mocked again surely.We had the odd fire man on here saying`were in it for the long haul and - just look at what `a long haul`is....a mere 8 days(the cons at strangeways were on the roof longer)!Then we have the bbs fire service groupie Bradwell who works nights on the Argos conveyor -but desperatly wants to wear fireman togs and sit on a throbbing engine -that`s the strength of support that they have- pitifull....Dont even consider another strike it just wont happen!