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[jaxaxe] 25/11/2002 13:58

Tony`s speech was absoloutely magnificent...he received a standing ovation for his contructive comments on the fire service...I was deeply moved by his unswerving loyalty and dedication to keeping this country safe from the militent elements in the fbu which are surely an extension of Andy Gilchrists evil claw!
There can be no doubt to the governments resolve in this issue,it will never give in to blackmail perpetrated by left wing activists whose only agenda is one of attempting to undermine economic stability of this wonderful Isle.
Prime minister Blair paid glorious tribute to the herculian tasks performed by our armed services and broached the question of how come just 19,000 troops were coping so efficiently with the work that Gilchrist insists that 55,000 firemen are needed to do(perhaps one of the boards resident firemen could enlighten the readers)!
Sir Geroge Bains report into modernisation was read to a rapturous audiance,all its proposals were greeted with tumultuos applause and a degre of wonderment as to why Gilchrist was advising his members to reject its findings.More pay,overtime,better hours and better conditions along with better promotion prospects - sounds tremendous to me.
...Gilchrists days are surely numbered,he is rapidly losing the blind loyalty that he once enjoyed...his voice was barely audible has he stumbled with answers to questions put to him by his own disgruntled firemen.
The hopes of Gilchrist that a war with Iraq would deplete our armed forces to the extent that the country would have to give in to the wage demands were dashed when Tony Blair said`we have more than enough troops to cope with any emergency`.Mr Blair then mentioned that the government had been making preperations for the strike since August(Im sure that a poster on this board hinted that that was the case weeks ago....whilst talks were ongoing).
Its very sad that dedicated fire men have allowed themselves to be manipulated by the likes of Gilchrist....the retainers saw through him...sadly the men of thefbu didnt.
This strike can go on for as long as it takes - the government has the man power,the money and the will to let it go on and on and on.The retainers will be the new elite force coupled with ex squaddies wanting a steady job.the plans are already drawn up for new contracts of employment for a new fire service - if the existing fire men dont return to work they will be a sacked......the clocks ticking....
tick tock.tick tock
jack levi.

[boonyed] 25/11/2002 13:21

Invalidity benefit, and the insurance from when he did the missus in, that's how he pays for the chestnuts.

BOON

[wuzzup] 25/11/2002 12:15

she got the figs when the slag was doing her rounds

[blonde_louisa] 25/11/2002 12:14

A news commentator (sorry don't know his name) on BBC Radio 5 Live during the week.

[yf23_1] 25/11/2002 12:07

Blonde_Louisa
Where do you get the hazard figs from ? Sounds interesting.

[jaxaxe] 25/11/2002 08:46

Bradwell,
thankyou for your flattering comments,as always its a sheer delight to see your words of wisdom in typed form.
Yuletide greetings to you....I hope that your fireworker friends enjoy the chesnuts that that I sent down to the firestation to cook on their brazier`s.
seasons greetings,jack levi.
..now lets see how the markets are doing - the chesnut money doesnt grow on trees you know!(unlike the nuts themselves)...

[maximus verendus] 25/11/2002 03:31

Sack the lot of them, they've issued death threats, which must include their dozy supporters.
Lets train a new batch with a no strike agreement & £5.50 per hour gross.

[bradwell] 25/11/2002 01:51

you'r right bouncer, how come he has money to spend??? maybe he earns too much doing nothing, but doesn't appreciate that some people are working for a living???? maybe he should try and get tax credits!!! for just doing nothing??? doesn't happen!!! either you earn enough to live or you don't???

[bouncer] 25/11/2002 01:38

Actually, if firemen were paid so poorly then Jaxaxe would never have been on this board to begin with, would he? This is a financial BB so one assumes he must be doing a bit of trading on those long breaks in between working days.

And you can't trade and cry poverty.

[bradwell] 25/11/2002 01:31

Lets see it's ok for MP's to get 40% but unreasonable for anyone to even ask for that much, even if they would accept 16-20%!!! (ohh but MP's risk their lives every day!!!) get real folks if you want a fire service that knows what they are doing then you is going to have to pay for it!!!! forget that last triple brandy with dinner, you is going to have to cough up a quid or 2 a month!! But is that the end of the world??? for people like Jaxaxe it is, he couldn't afford it, being the low paid worker he is!! or can he???

[crestseal] 24/11/2002 23:20

Italy £12,000 and its illegal to stike

[blonde_louisa] 24/11/2002 23:09

Being a Fireman is the only 28th most hazardous occupation in the U.K. in terms of deaths per man hours worked. For instance, being a building site worker is by far much more dangerous. Therefore, it's only simple logic that being an unskilled labourer on a building site is worth at least £50,000 per year - or maybe, Firemen are already overpaid.

Firemen In France, Germany and the U.S. are all paid less than the current U.K. Fireman's salary.

[thekidd] 24/11/2002 21:32

firemen know the risks...£21K is enough.............wise up guys

[gypsy king] 24/11/2002 20:03

Sack the lot !

[jonc] 24/11/2002 18:36

"'unrealistic' demands for public sector rises."

That is about the only part of your post that makes any sense.



There is so much political capital that could be made by the Conservatives in all of this but they, of course, have lost the plot as much the members of the FBU have.

[boonyed] 24/11/2002 18:24

Mr David Frost talked this morning of conspiracy theories..... is this strike the front for other public sector pay claims? the government cannot be broken because it will lead to a raft of 'unrealistic' demands for public sector rises.

Well consider this conspiracy theory:

19000+ military personnel (almost 1/10th of the British armed forces) engaged in giving temporary basic fire cover, bought about by a failure of the FBU and employer's to agree a deal on fire service pay, the government vociferously stating that it isn't their place to take part in negotiations, yet step in and block it at the point of agreement, on two occasions.

The U.S is calling in pledges of support for military action against Iraq. Our current government has pledged their support and commitment to pay the "blood price" alongside the U.S.

Public opinion however, shows no real support towards sending our military personnel on this assault.

The shadow defence minister for the conservative party Mr Alan Duncan said on breakfast TV this morning that, "a commitment by the government to send forces like an armoured division would have to be taken by Monday (tomorrow) to allow them to be ready for early next year".

Think of a government that has a history of spin, and seemingly doesn't suffer from any conscience in the depths to which it will sink.

So, instigate a strike, bring in the military, and keep the strike going to cover a period when commitments have to be made to the U.S. the result is that we don't have to commit our troops, the public are happy.

Spin or what?

BOON

[soapychris] 24/11/2002 12:11

bouncer,

i reckon it was prescott who took a pot shot at fireman sam!
i was going to send prescott a pair of boxing gloves for xmas me thinks a SA80 rifle would be more apt(but make sure he keeps it clean or it may jam) perhaps he can pass on comments on its performance to the pratt responsible for defence!

[zuke.] 23/11/2002 23:57

Sparky Mate; Good luck with your claim my friend , you deserve it , we all know that, the country is behind you!

[zuke.] 23/11/2002 23:51

Harsh Reality my friend !

[maxk] 23/11/2002 12:07

Louisa,

I've had a few pints tonight, so will not continue our interesting debate for the moment. Will post back tommorrow with a few eye openers.

night night!

sleep tight!

[blonde_louisa] 23/11/2002 12:01

maxk,

Answers:

Current Firemen's pay about £21,500 p.a.
Currently 38 applicants are "queued up" for each job - seems to be a slight discrepancy in supply and demand there, classical economic theory would suggest that Firemen are currently over-paid.

Who cares about 2-jags? I don't think he's worth the money he's paid either - but then again, he's not asking for a 40% rise.

My own job: I have been made redundant in the past (n.b. but never sacked). I have taken new jobs that paid less than my previous job (n.b. I have also taken new jobs that paid more than my previous job because someone thought I was worth it in the market-place). I have never gone on strike for more money - if I think I'm worth more money than I am paid then I look around for another job. I wonder why all those hard-done by Firemen don't look around for another job - perhaps they haven't got the skills or aptitude to earn more elsewhere, just a thought!


"Forget France Louise, totally different country" - yes, I think you are correct there. Totally different: They possess a Fire Service that doesn't delude itself with cloud-cookoo-land economics !

[gypsy king] 23/11/2002 01:35

Nice one Mr Blair !

;-)