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[cozebum] 27/11/2002 22:27

It seems to me Gilchrist may be making this dispute his personal bid for glory. I think they have a just cause but 40% is an impossibly high demand.

[joncohen] 27/11/2002 22:02

Thanks for proving my point,LOL!


an amoeba only has one brain cell birdbrain........it dont take 2 to make
an amoeba

[techno1] 27/11/2002 21:58

Thanks for proving my point,LOL!

[joncohen] 27/11/2002 21:53

who's amoeba? is he your fella

[techno1] 27/11/2002 21:50

wow, thats clever, how long to think that one up you pillock.
If you had another braincell you,d be an amoeba.

[joncohen] 27/11/2002 21:46

techno you forgot the nce at the end of your name......before the 1
regards your good friend
jak levi

[techno1] 27/11/2002 21:41

I left GMC FS I found it humdrum and tedious, the workshy culture of skiving is corrosive .
Apparently the ending of "Spanish practices" ,of which there are many, coupled with a modernisation of the service ,will endanger the lives of the public.
If that is the case what does an all out strike do?
Hypocrasy of the first degree.

[hyper al] 27/11/2002 21:37

I'm sure I voted for Gilchrist many years back, was he a union guy in the IPMS? I think i voted for him, but that was in the days I had a secure job!

[hyper al] 27/11/2002 21:34

Firefighters stop wasting your time and money fighting for a stupid claim that the country can't afford and get back to work, before you loose all respect from the public!

[boonyed] 27/11/2002 21:27

Jack

Have you been drinking, or is there some reaction between the new tablets and the big blue ones?

BOON

[custardpie] 27/11/2002 20:05

I,M fed up of hearing how you will put your life on the line every day to save members of the general public. When it suits .You do,nt seem to botherd about jo public at the moment as you pursue you greed claim.. Give the retaind lads the full time jobs..

[jaxaxe] 27/11/2002 15:23

Boneyhead,
there seems be quite a lot of drivel being spouted regarding mp`s saleries,they most certainly did not receive 40% the only mp that did receive 40% was our glorious prime minister mr Blair...and he was awarded that after rejecting any pay rise for three years...his salary is around 70k - a mere pittance when you take into account his work load and responsiblites(pound for pound -less than you-and certainly much less than he would earn as a barrister).it was the same review board that deals with your pay that decided on mr Blairs salary....totally fair.
Im not one to say I told you so ,but-I did tell you that your pay claim would never be met,the government had plans in operation as early as last year to deal with any strike...you`ve only had a glimpse of what they intend doing.The picket lines are already being crossed by firemen,calls of scab mean nothing to those that are crossing,the retainers union are with the government all the way in defeating you.
I appreciate that you must but on a brave face-but behind your mask are the tears and fears of reality...each day brings with it yet another defeat and another broken picket line.
Gilchrist is now begging for talks and saying that the 4% is worth persuing..hes even agreeing to the closure of some stations...anything to save his own job.(remember that you heard it here first)
regards,jack levi.

[dobcroft] 27/11/2002 15:16

I've read it again, and you still say £41m. £1bn could only come from somebody in cloud cuckooland. :-)

From what you are saying in post 955, you would argue then that the lives lost in Germany and/or France must be greater since they employ approx 1/2 as many firemen per head of population in those two countries.

[boonyed] 27/11/2002 15:04

Dobcroft

It doesn't matter how motivated a crew are, if they turn up to a severe confligration and know that they will not get any back up, they will be hard pushed to make any real headway in fighting the fire. They will be doing what the Armed Forces are doing now, fighting it from the outside.

The thing that secures the safety of Firefighters at incidents is the implementation of control measures, many of these measures are personnel and equipment related, if the personnel and/or equipment is not available then the control measures cannot be put in place and so Officers will not be able to commit Firefighters into these situations. This will directly lead to higher fire losses, which will include, as well as financial losses an increase in the loss of life.

Also if you read my post again, you will see that the cost of implementing all of the changes in the Bain report will be around £1 Billion and not £41 Million.

BOON

[spongy2] 27/11/2002 14:22

Max,
I agree, ''Squaddies getting 1k bonuses'' anyone making that remark has never been in the forces, nor know how they work.
Firemen are Clutching at straws nowadays.

[thegreatgeraldo] 27/11/2002 14:16

Boonyed , that 'black hole' you refer to.. nothing to do with , Pugh , Pugh & Barney earning (undeclared) cash driving cabs is it ? Mcgrew's gone to help pay for your pay rise , Cuthbert & Dibble are next ;-))

[maxheadroom] 27/11/2002 13:56

Boon,

You say,
"Army personnel are reportedly receiving £1,000 each, which accounts for ten days work since they prepare 24 hours beforehand and wind down 24 hours after the Firefighters return to work."

Reported by whom? My information is that they may, and I stress may, get £5 a day for each day that they're on call if the strike goes into next year. A far cry from your £1000 for ten days!

[goodcall] 27/11/2002 13:54

I can't believe the arrogance of Gilcrist, when he says they've been getting a fire servive on the cheap and now they have to pay, he means the humble tax payer. Remember there is no such thing as government cash, it's tax payers cash, and that includes the disabled and retired.

like JonC says "Better to privatise the Fire Brigade and reduce the burden on the taxpayer."

[parieur] 27/11/2002 13:34

I know self-employed tradesmen who are peesed off with firemen "moonlighting".
They take away their trade, pay no tax (nor NI) on the income, and drive round in flashy cars.

GET BACK TO WORK.
6% tops!! (and reform of spanish customs!!!)

That's better!

Parieur

[boonyed] 27/11/2002 13:21

The figures are probably from the Labour Research Department, that's the same organisation who said that Firefighters pay had fallen behind significantly in recent years. And that in order for pay to be on a par with the sector to which it is linked, it would need to be increased by 39.8%.

Incidentally, this is also the "Independant Body" commissioned by the Government to look at the wages of Members of Parliament, remember them, they're the ones who got a 40% increase in their wages ealier this year, and they're complaining about a three day week..........Hypocrites.

BOON

[boonyed] 27/11/2002 09:08

19,000 squaddies doing 55,000 Firefighters jobs, 12 hours on 12hours off, they're hardly doing Firefighters jobs. Their calls are filtered, rightly so, so that they only respond to fires, they do nothing else.

They have no time off, they do no Fire safety inspections, they do no community fire safety, they do no regular equipment maintenance, they do not respond to Road Traffic Accidents (RTA's), they do not respond to calls from the public for humanitarian assistance i.e. lock ins, lock outs, animal rescues, water rescues, floodings, gas leaks, electocutions, high rise rescues, rings on fingers, lift rescues, drownings, need I go on.........

All they are doing is standing outside burning buildings squirting water through windows or onto roofs, and they are doing a marvelous job, because that's all they are trained to do. If the Fire Service stood outside and did not stop fire spread I wonder how many insurance companies would sue the Local Authority.

BOON

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