Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Dignity Plc LSE:DTY London Ordinary Share GB00BRB37M78 ORD 12 48/143P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  +36.00p +1.59% 2,296.00p 2,290.00p 2,295.00p 2,313.00p 2,259.00p 2,274.00p 49,671 16:35:03
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
General Retailers 313.6 71.2 115.3 19.9 1,146.43

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DateSubjectAuthorDiscuss
02/10/2017
19:45
Trd5 Maybe a robot?
redartbmud
02/10/2017
19:34
Iamnotanumber why don't you just admit you are not invested here or in any other stock fella? Waltermitty comes to mind! For a start you don't have the intelligence to have money to make any investments!
therealdeal5
25/9/2017
12:04
Poor old unreal, it must really irk you that others make money in profitable dividend-paying companies while you scrabble around losing money trying to get rich quick in penny oil shares - you really ought to stick to scratch cards.....
iamnotanumber6
22/9/2017
17:32
Iamnotanumber looks at what is doing well then posts on those boards, he holds no shares in the companies he posts on! 👍
therealdeal5
21/9/2017
20:31
Hi Harold, price and quality are now fairly uncorrelated in the funeral world IMO. Yes, for Levertons the professional services fee of £1,560 includes: Our professional attention throughout the arrangements, including local removal of deceased in office hours, use of private mortuary and Chapel of Rest, care of the deceased, administration, bearers and funeral director’s attendance (in hours) at the funeral. For Dignity you have to add three separate fees: "Our service to you" £1565, "Our service to the person who died" £1005 and "Your appointed funeral director" £715 to get to the same professional services provision as Levertons. Fun fact as well. Dignity's "Your appointed funeral director" didn't exist last year it had always been part of "Our service to you". My assumption is it is now split out as an "our service to you" fee of £2,200+ was optically too high. Better to have a multitude of smaller charges that are all necessary.
jamesfuneralbooker
21/9/2017
20:03
James you add 4 figures for levertons but 6 for dignity in your calculation. What are the extra 2 figures for that are not in the levertons calculation ?
haroldthegreat
21/9/2017
19:47
I am very surprised that levertons were less expensive than dignity. With their royal connection I was expecting the opposite. With the vicious flu strain on route from down under no doubt their turnover will Increase over the winter period despite this adverse publicity.
haroldthegreat
20/9/2017
14:19
James's, I guess you are happy to permanently alienate Dignity, so you never expect the second biggest funeral director to be part of your initiative?A big decision.
che7win
20/9/2017
12:59
Iamnotanumber6 - as a disruptive business we try disruptive tactics and this is one of them. The upside for us of this was publicity both within and without the industry.
jamesfuneralbooker
20/9/2017
12:38
He was honest to state he had a short, no need to do so and not a problem to me.
celeritas
20/9/2017
12:25
James, I note you skirted round my fourth query, ie. why you took out a short then publicised it. It is one thing trying to disrupt an industry which is due a shake-up - which is fair enough - but it seems decidedly iffy practice to actively try and bring down the share price of one of the main rivals of your own clients (note, not even a direct rival to your operation). You admit it's not a big bet, so why bother? It's a bit like Expedia when it started out publishing a sell note on British Airways. If you are confident in your business model, then why branch out into trading in derivatives and publishing research on quoted companies - are you a price comparison website, a share dealer or a research house? If I was a shareholder in Funeralbooker I would not be too impressed at this diversification, I'd rather you were running the business rather than faffing about on the DTY board on ADVFN.
iamnotanumber6
20/9/2017
12:23
harold, it is a stressful time and I think you will find most older people wont shop around. People brought up in the digital age are a different kettle of fish, its normally their first point of call for most things now. In my area I would say I'm aware of 3 funeral companies, two have a very good name which is why people use them with the last being the co-op. I'm not aware if dignity have bought any but then why would I as the name remains the same. People tend to go to tried and tested but when prices go up too far they will look about which is what will happen if Dignity push too much. James makes a point of Dignity having to keep buying to keep growth going along with raising prices. Yes the company can keep consolidating for some time but raising prices anymore will simply push people elsewhere. I can see Dignity changing the terms when a company is bought out because the biggest issue is the Director simply setting up again after the terms of the contract expire, I guess the longer the term out of the business the less likely you are to set up again.
celeritas
20/9/2017
11:28
Thank you James for the prompt reply to each of the points. you list levertons as a local provider. How do their prices compare with dignity ? As levertons have a good local reputation and are used by some VIPs (or very important passed away persons) I would be interested to see that price comparison. I think dignity shareholders would like / not like to see that comparison. As I said in my post I think your site is a good idea. With regard to the loss of business when dignity take over I would think its a result of the loss of the owners personal touch. I think that the local touch is important and that at that stressful time most people will not go on line to look for the cheapest deal.
haroldthegreat
20/9/2017
10:50
James, you raise some very good points. I read a while back that Dignity were looking at ways of stopping every-man and his dog from setting up a funeral service. As you say entry to the business is very low to the point of just having common sense. Having been involved with a few funerals this year I know that the funeral directors (not related to dignity) have moaned about the price increase at the local crematoria, like I said £300 is quite a chunk. I can see the government clamping down on two issues at some point. 1: Ease of entry to the business 2: Price rises which can put many families in trouble, struggling and worrying on how to pay the bill at what is already a very stressful time.
celeritas
20/9/2017
10:30
Celeritas 1. You can find our research on cremation costs here: hxxps://funeralbooker.com/blog/2017-cremation-burial-cost-index/ - You will notice that Dignity operate all 10 of the 10 most expensive crematoria in the country. Many places will have a local monopoly but also many places will not if people are willing to drive 5-10 miles further. Cremation and burial fees have not been a focus of this report but my view is that crematoria will also have to increasingly compete (price/service)over the coming years but likely at a lag to the funeral directors.
jamesfuneralbooker
20/9/2017
10:27
Morning, will try to answer each point raised but apologies if I miss any. Iamnotanumber6 1. The main issue I would have here is whether these are trusted local brands anymore. Funerals per branch has collapsed by 30% over the past decade. Something is turning past customers away. 2. For some it is a priority for others it isn't. As prices have risen way faster than inflation it inevitably shifts more people into the former camp than the latter. We're not saying all will be prioritising cost, just that more are and that this puts Dignity at a disadvantage. 3. Raising prices is more than okay, not disagreeing with that. Just pointing out that Dignity is at a high premium AND that we think price transparency will affect this. 4. The financial benefits/risks of the short itself are not really the main focus, to be honest. We are doing this because we had the knowledge and we thought "why not?". This is simply accumulated knowledge we've built up over two years building our business. Very few people have a working knowledge of the funeral world, plus, my previous experience was in the finance world so pulling together this report was actually very easy. Pet Lover 1. Regulation will be introduced in Scotland but it is still in consultation phase and we do not know what form it will take yet. Costs will most likely be an aspect of this as well as standards. 2. Price. As above, some people are very price sensitive and there are funeral directors to cater for this in most towns/cities. Other people are not sensitive to price and will not shop around. There is a growing customer desire to "not get ripped off". It is a subtle shift in buying psychology that people are making from not wanting to haggle to not wanting to get ripped off. There are now large campaigns getting a lot of attention re prices - see hxxp://fairfuneralscampaign.org.uk/ by the Quakers. Haroldthegreat 1. No, it is not just independents. We also have regional chains and regional Coops. The majority are independents. 2. We earn income by charging funeral directors when a customer uses them through our site. They don't pay anything to be listed, it is simply when we bring them a customer (not just a lead). 3. We have no Dignity branches listed but there is nothing stopping Dignity from joining us. I expect the reasons they would not want to join are that they don't want to pay and that their pricing would compare unfavourably with the existing FDs who use us.
jamesfuneralbooker
20/9/2017
07:47
When dignity own the only crematoria close by you have no choice. Yes you can choose the funeral directors but the crematoria is usually the closest. Dignity took over a crematoria I know of and immediately raised the price by £300.
celeritas
20/9/2017
07:24
All that is required is a list of the DTY group of companies to be splashed all over the web with a clear warning to users of its services that that company is making 33P in the pound.
pet lover
20/9/2017
07:18
Does his website only list independents ? looked locally and only saw independent stated against the company names listed .I presume he gets a commission or advertising fee or click per link fee from the companies listed and perhaps dignity will not pay. Perhaps for clarity he should state how he gets his income from the site and if dignity refuses to pay !are any of dignity branches listed on the site? I actually think the site is a good idea. people are very vulnerable at the time of bereavement and able to be taken advantage of.I know of one family who spent a fortune on a funeral that they could not afford. As a result they will be in debt for years to come. A friend of mine died recently and her family stated no flowers and donations to grenfell tower victims as she was very upset at their plight prior to passing away. the living benefited from her passing rather than a florist and funeral director. dignity now offer off peak cremation service c £1500. Collect body and cremate no service ,cremated when slot available.
haroldthegreat
20/9/2017
07:17
pet lover - 14 Feb 2017 - 13:21:30 - 1114 of 1159 DIGNITY (DEAD CERT) - DTY This company makes a clear 33P on each pound of turnover, clearly they are good at what they do OR play on the fact that one deals with them at the very time your not in a position to shop around. Even if you could shop around no one in the sector is working on price. Not like a supermarket. The overall cost has gone through the roof over the last 20 years across the board. As have profits here. I would be very worried the fat margins don't get smashed by the government or an easy jet style service. That might not happen in my lifetime though.
pet lover
20/9/2017
06:49
Won't act a self-interested report. Otherwise it will move the price short term in his favour and one simply doesn't know when he would have cashed out,possibly at the expense of others who follow his report.
riskvsreward
20/9/2017
00:27
I hold here, albeit I have been reducing as it's my biggest holding. It's an interesting report, but here are the points it raises with me: 1. I have absolutely no problem with the lack of branding - to me it's a strength, as why change the goodwill of a trusted local brand? Besides, it's quite clearly spelt out in the brochure you reproduced that the individual undertaker is part of a company. 2. Is the cost of a funeral really a priority when one has lost a loved one? It's one thing settling down in front of a computer with a coffee to pore over the cheapest holidays, but surely you don't act the same when sorting out a funeral? 3. Why is raising prices over a period so terrible? It's not as if they are a monopoly (like for example many rail companies over a particular route). Surely the mark of a good company is maximising its income by raising its prices to the most the market can bear? 4. But the real question I have is why are you putting out negative research on a quoted rival? OK, you admit you are shorting the stock, but it does seem an odd thing to do, or are you simply trying to move the DTY price in your favour? Do your shareholders know that you are gambling some of their funds on a derivative trade? And why aren't you letting your business speak for itself, rather than indulging in what some might call dirty tricks? Indeed, some prospective customers might be put off by a firm which concentrates on derivative trading and share research rather than what it's supposed to be offering?
iamnotanumber6
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