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[pembury] 10/8/2015 10:31

I don't think the point is all to do with CHL rather than the UK getting into bed with someone you can't trust in general. If the ROI come out with the right statement in the weeks ahead to encourage and give reason for foreign investment than that will no doubt help their country's development. If they try to drag it on and on then can't see that helping their cause either. Next month their government reps could be seen outside No.10 communicating to the world about foreign investing in the ROI, it is a big opportunity for them to build bridges and for foreigners to gain confidence in their newly elected government.

[debbiegee] 10/8/2015 10:24

How will Cameron look our major shareholder in the eye if he is not seen to use muscle to get his and our money back?
Surely if Cameron if offering 1B credit and lots of juicy trade deals when the rest of the investment world are stalling investment because of our case he must be able to use his diplomacy skills and upper hand to ensure that our case be sorted ???

[debbiegee] 10/8/2015 10:17

Daddy I meant there is no appeal once the cout makes final ruling.
Along the way as you suggest is correct.

[daddy warbucks] 10/8/2015 10:16

There not their.

[daddy warbucks] 10/8/2015 10:15

If you look at our case on the ICSID website, you will see that both parties make 'observations' about certain rulings. Indeed Churchill appealed against a decision on one of the rulings (PO 13 possibly?) which was subsequently lost. I am sure their will be observations on the decision and counter observations before the final draft is published. That doesn't mean the decision will be overturned, by ex way.

[pembury] 10/8/2015 10:11

See how things go in the weeks ahead but there will be a lot of communication with the PM and CHL shareholders prior to ROI reps visiting the UK next month to supposedly do some deals/ jv's!

Why would the UK or any other G8 country for that matter trust them if so especially given the talk of £1bn loans and a range of jv projects between the two countries?.

This imo is the defining moment for potential future ROI foreign investment.

[debbiegee] 10/8/2015 10:11

The last trade showing is not from today as it has not been added to totals.
There is however probably a buy in the system not yet showing as they are only showing sells and we have had tick up on ask.

[debbiegee] 10/8/2015 10:08

There is no appeal possible with ISCID and if a payout is decided it is enforcable.

[debbiegee] 10/8/2015 10:06

Exactly Daddy , everytime Dyor and only buy what you can afford.
I have never heard a balanced researched opinion that we could lose but we always have to appreciate that every bet is binary.

[daddy warbucks] 10/8/2015 10:06

I think that would happen when both sides see the panels determination of the case, before it is published. IMHO.

[cool hand kev] 10/8/2015 10:03

And then there's the appeal

[daddy warbucks] 10/8/2015 10:00

Well I am not going to be that confident.I think we should win, but nothing surprises me.If new investors are looking in, then they should be aware of the pros and cons before investing. DYOR every time.

[debbiegee] 10/8/2015 09:50

Yes many scenarios but Im sure whatever happens will take us by surprise. !
I think all the stages we have already been through that have been documented by the ISCID have added up to form the court case.
So we as laymen or anybody that cares to read through all the POs can also work out our chances and probability of winning.
Then with a lot of background reseached knowledge could try to work out the possibilty of OOC or a wait till the bitter end.

The only thing I feel sure of is that we have won but WHEN we get paid out nothing would surprise me .
Although it will come as a surprise LOL

[daddy warbucks] 10/8/2015 09:38

DebbiegeeYou are spot on with your post above. These lawyers are at the top of their game and should be able to read how the wind is blowing in this case.My answer before described what could happen if no OOC.

[debbiegee] 10/8/2015 09:33

I think if the parties both have a good idea where they stand it gives foundation to negotiate a settlement without waiting for the court decision.
Both sides have good lawyers that must have an idea what they think the court will decide.
If they want to settle as quick as possible I would say a couple of days off then both teams individually plan strategy then get together to negotiate.
It would certainly be nice before the trade minister visits the UK early next month to talk about the deals offerred and make further plans.

On the other hand if they want to go all the way through the ISCID it could be next year.

[daddy warbucks] 10/8/2015 09:30

Buy well. I always bet black. Never red, unlike some! ;0)

[valtos] 10/8/2015 09:28

Tks Daddy W

[buywell3] 10/8/2015 09:26

The wheel is spinning on this one

Place your bets ladies and gents

[tburns] 10/8/2015 09:24

Does anyone know if the reserve day (today) has been taken in court or not?

[daddy warbucks] 10/8/2015 09:23

Assuming no out of court settlement, we have to wait for the tribunal to make its decision.This could take some time and both parties I assume will get to see the decision first to make any comments before it is published.If you look at the last time this happened it took quite a few months. Having said that, I am sure the merits stage of the proceedings were earmarked for October this year. Could be wrong on that, but I don't expect the delay to be as long as last time.

[valtos] 10/8/2015 09:18

What is the next stage after the end of today in Singapore? It's 1618hrs there now.

[daddy warbucks] 10/8/2015 09:12

We should be nearing our closing speech now.Day 7 (10 August): reserve time in the morning; closing statements and procedural discussions from noon on. D. Oral Statements12. The Parties may present opening statements of max 3 hours each. The Parties may present closing statements of max. 2 hours each. The Respondent will make its opening and closing statements first. Allocation of TimeTogether with opening and closing statements (which are not to exceed the maximum times stated in para. 12 above), each Party shall have a total of 17 hours for the entire hearing. The Tribunal may grant short extensions if circumstances so require.

[debbie_does_dallas_twice] 10/8/2015 09:08

Thick bi@tch above. This thread is full of idiots!
Get ready for the run down to the 20's once the MM have sold the last lost they picked up down there and passed them on to the Debbie's and more4's of this world at a hefty mark up..

[debbiegee] 10/8/2015 08:47

wE ARE SUING FOR COMPENSATION OF REVOKED LICENSES SO NO MINE BACK