Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Centralnic Group Plc LSE:CNIC London Ordinary Share GB00BCCW4X83 ORD 0.1P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  0.00 0.0% 144.00 143.50 144.50 144.50 140.00 140.00 466,044 16:35:28
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
Software & Computer Services 303.6 1.1 -1.2 - 412

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The factor that puzzles me is that CNIC has not lacked multiple enthusiastic media comments. It cannot be said to be 'under the radar'. Evidently the media have rather limited influence in the current climate.
Berenberg say Buy and have a 250p price target:


Interservices Gmbh sold 1.4m on Jan 20 so could be them holding the price down as they own 14%
Must admit to being perplexed by the sp, we are currently at the same level as 15 months ago! I always considered debt as being a large factor in putting off wary investors but at the rate of cash generation it could easily have gone within the year. Any hint that another company is eyeing us up would certainly set things alight and this must look attractive to the likes of Godaddy.
Afternoon session on 7th with CNIC here -needs registering to attend -hTTps://
Edison have a new note out. They've raised their forecasts in line with the update, so here's their forecasts - Edison's are well below Zeus's for some reason, but CNIC are still ridiculously cheap on either measure:

last year : 18c EPS (Zeus 19.9c EPS), i.e 14.63p EPS
this year : 19.4c EPS, (Zeus 21,3c EPS), i.e 15.8p EPS

I also note that Edison forecast net debt to reduce to a mere $2.8m at the end of this year:



The re-rating could take anything from 2 months to 2 years in my view. I think the company need to demonstrate what they mean by focus on shareholder returns - that's likely to start with a dividend announcement with their prelims and then gradually play out with debt coming down a little more, divident gradually increasing and some buyback, and all that probably alongside no M&A.

All that won't be immediate but should lead to a higher multiple in my view. Impossible to guess when though


Today's news of a partnership with WHMCS looks useful, particularly as regards the blurb at the end about WHMCS:


"About WHMCS

WHMCS, a WebPros company, is the industry's leading automation and orchestration platform for web hosting and domain resellers"

I am totally baffled by the continued muted response to the ever positive story here. Im not sure what it is going to take to see a rerating myself. Perhaps i am not getting something ?
Great results but I'm not surprised by the muted share price response today, as this has been the market response to multiple "exceeds expectations" announcements from CNIC over the last year.

I'm very positive that value will out in the longer term, but a bit of patience is probably required.

It's worth bearing in mind that one year ago, the expectations for 2022 revenue and earnings were $444m and 12c/share. It looks like the actual result will be $728m and about 20c. That's quite some outperformance.

I think we can assume that the current 2023 forecasts are excessively conservative, as even continuing the Q4 revenue and earnings run rate gives us $805m revenue and $92m EBITDA. Whilst I don't expect the explosive growth of the last few years to continue, 20-30% growth in both revenue and earnings looks very possible.

One year ago, CNIC was on a PE ratio for the year just finished of 14. Today, it is on a PE ratio for the last 12 months of about 9. Assuming the company's business model isn't in danger, it looks like really good value.

I think the move away from growth by acquisition is a positive one, as this will really let the market see the significant cashflow generation of this company, which is what is likely to lead to a re-rating. A PE of 15 x earnings of somewhere in the region of 24c/20p in 2023 could see a share price of 300p. Not an unrealistic target over the next 12-15 months.

This is one of my largest holdings and one that I'm very content to hold given the significant underlying growth and cashflow generation. I welcome any other views, positive or negative. Does anyone else have any other thoughts about why the rating is relatively low considering the continued positive newsflow?


Got in today at 147.
Difficult to find theses companies under the radar.

The net debt position will be £2.8m at the end of this year. Surely, this should act as a buy signal for many who have been skeptical of this stock because of its high debt.
Averaged up again today, now my largest holding.
Thanks for posting Adrian. THeir 17.2p EPS for FY23 looks extremely low - doubling of H2 FY22 EPS gets you beyond that without any growth!
Cheers davebowler. To be specific, Zeus have "conservatively" raised their forecasts as follows:

- last year : 19.9c EPS, or 16.1p EPS
- this year : 21.3c EPS, or 17.2p EPS

And there's "the opportunity for multiple upgrades in 2023, continuing the trend
of five EBITDA upgrades since the beginning of 2021".

Zeus's DCF valuation for CNIC is 216p per share.

Strong, resilient growth
CentralNic issued another positive trading update, leading us to upgrade Adjusted EBITDA again, this time by 4% in both 2022 and 2023. The company continues to grow rapidly (60% organic revenue growth) and margins continue to expand, demonstrating resilience to a slowing economy and online marketing sector. We conservatively raise our 2023 forecasts due solely to base effects, leaving revenue growth at only 6%. As a result, we see the potential for CentralNic’s upgrade cycle to continue into 2023. The company’s low earnings multiples (5.7x EV/ 2023 EBITDA) do not reflect the company’s strong growth, expanding margins and cash generation.

2022 trading update
¨ CentralNic traded ahead of expectations in Q4 2022. Revenue for the full year is expected to be about $728m, ~3% ahead of our estimate of $710m. Adjusted EBITDA is expected to be at least $85m, over 4% ahead of our estimate of $82m. Net debt is expected to be about $57m, in line with our forecast of $51m after including the acquisition of a publishing network announced 19 December for $5.2m. Adjusted operating cash conversion was over 100%, implying continued strong cash conversion in Q4 2022. Adjusted operating cash conversion was 105% in the first three quarters of 2022.

¨ Continued high growth and margin expansion: The company grew by about 60% organically in 2022, compared to 66% in the twelve months to the end of September and 62% in the LTM to June 2022. Growth continued to be led by the Online Marketing division, which doubled in the twelve months to September. We estimate Adjusted EBITDA/Net revenue margin was over 48% in 2022, implying 49% margin in H2 2022, up from 47% in H1 2022 and 39% in 2021.

¨ Forecast upgrades: We conservatively raise our 2023 and 2024 forecasts solely due to base effects. Our revised forecasts leave considerable room for outperformance. We forecast 6% revenue growth in 2023 and 2024, down from c. 60% organic growth in 2022. Similarly, we forecast margins are broadly steady at 11.9% in both years. Our preferred measure of profitability, Adjusted EBITDA/ Net Revenue, rose to 47% in the first nine months of 2022 from 39% in 2021. We see the opportunity for multiple upgrades in 2023, continuing the trend of five EBITDA upgrades since the beginning of 2021.

¨ Underrated: CentralNic trades at only 5.7x 2023 EBITDA and 8.3x PE, at the bottom of its peer group range, despite having a FY22 FCFF yield of 13.0% and delivering strong growth and earnings outperformance.

Hi Ammons

I saw them mentioned somewhere and the move to focus on shareholder returns rather than M&A so I dusted off the numbers. Looking back at my notes from when I sold in 2016, there were a few things (i) opaque numbers in their reporting, (ii) some guidance which they'd provided which didnt stack up with recent trading, (iii) most of the turnover growth at that point being acquired rather than organic...all of which combined to being too much uncertainty.

Looking at them now, if the focus is on shareholder returns then with a relatively ungreared balance sheet and their cash generation, then the story is quite different and I think could lead to a significantly different multiple going forward. They could easily return 5%-10% of current market cap p.a. I believe whether via dividends or buybacks and without hindering investing in growing the business still.


Thanks AdamB. Genuine question, you sold these in 2016 and not commented again here until this month. What made you decide to jump back in? I myself have been watching from the sidelines for a while. The results seem great in recent times yet the share price languishes. Share price now is only back to where it was in Oct 21. Too many acquisitions perhaps? I am not an accountant but if debt is down and cash is up then cash generation must be very good?
I think pre-amortisation EPS will be approaching 20p next year given that they should be doing $100m EBITDA based on the run-rate levels going into 2023
What's PE and EPS looking like now?
I'm guessing the results don't include the latest acquisition's profits

Yes same old same old eh?
However this will eventually come through with such good trading and a low PE

Those q4 figures are outstanding.

200m sales, 50m net revenue, and 24 m of ebitda. All dollars.

You can see the money coming in with debt down, cash up whilst also doing the buyback and paying off considerations on previous acquisitions.

Even if they just continue q4 this is an absolute bargain.

If they can look at using that for shareholder returns also this will rerate.

Always a disappointing reaction to good news here, for some inexplicable reason. Still, opportunity to accumulate at decent levels ?
Disappointing reaction to that update so far
The game changer for me with CNIC is the focus on shareholder returns, which again they mention in this RNS. The CEO tone is also more on returns given the comments about discipline rather than on further acquisitions.

Given the FCF yield this could be a lot higher with that change of emphasis

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