Avanti Communications Share Discussion Threads

[colva] 09/8/2012 12:56

Bought a few more at 350.10p

[22298] 09/8/2012 12:49

just bought in hoping for some support - bounce from the £3.50 mark after the retrace back to this level onwards and upwards .

[johncsimpson] 09/8/2012 12:09

God, I hope not. The last one has depressed the price enough

[enami] 09/8/2012 10:55

Thanks for that link wilksey – shows HYLAS 2 still in elliptical orbit.

Perigee: 18,275.6 km
Apogee: 35,782.3 km

I think next time the apogee and longitude positions are correct the Apogee Kick Motor should fire to put it into circular orbit.

A geostationary orbit is a circular orbit 35,786 kilometres (22,236 mi) above the Earth's equator

[2350220] 09/8/2012 10:30

What a great site Wilksey.
The folk on this board are so helpful.

I might use this to see if I can see the Space Station when it goes over us.

John

[wilksey1] 09/8/2012 10:25

here,s a link if anyone is interested it show,s present location speed etc

[jeffian] 09/8/2012 10:19

ISA's and SIPP's may do (slightly) different things and most of us(?) use both. The thing I couldn't grasp was why you would want to transfer assets between the two. If you want to hold AVN in a SIPP, you can. When it transfers to the main market, you will also be able to hold it in an ISA. It's not about AVN, it's about what you are trying to achieve with your SIPP/ISA. There's nothing to stop you holding it in both!

[buywell2] 09/8/2012 10:18

AVN got another SAT it can hurry up ?

[dolores123] 09/8/2012 10:17

duplicated in error

[dolores123] 09/8/2012 10:17

Yes the annuity received by you from your sipp is taxed as income in your hands as is the alternative of draw down. (Draw down defers the annuity decision and increases flexibility regarding the balance of the sipp fund not taken as tax free lump sum (max 25% of sipp fund).

Whilst your sipp has investment funds any income and gains arising in the sipp are tax exempt. Does that help?

[johncsimpson] 09/8/2012 10:10

The lump sum only is tax free, but the draw down (or annuity) is classed as unearned income and becomes taxable if its greater than your tax allowance or when added to other income (e.g. state pension, part time employment etc.) at which point the 'balance total' is taxable once you have used up your allowance. Since most peoples state pension is of the order of the tax allowance it is nigh certain that you will be paying tax on the balance of the allowance.

[2350220] 09/8/2012 10:08

Mmm not quite, Dolores.
At least not what I've been told at various sessions with our pension advisors.
Gains from your ISAs are tax free, BUT . . .
IF the income from the annuity (which you get from closing out of your SIPP) is above the minimum tax threshold, then you pay income tax on it.
Sure you can take 25% as a tax free lump sum.

I'm no tax expert and there's NAI, but this is what I've understood from meeting with pension advisors>

John

[dolores123] 09/8/2012 09:51

Lets be clear - gains and income arising in a sipp are tax free. After you have taken your tax free lump sum you do not have to take an annuity but instead can opt to take draw down.

[jonnyno1] 09/8/2012 09:39

ridiculous!

[2350220] 09/8/2012 09:38

Jeffian,
The SIPP and ISAs are treated differently regards tax AFAIK.

You get tax relief on dosh you put into a SIPP, but you might be taxed on any resultant gains, in the same way as Income Tax, when you decide to convert your SIPP into an annuity. As has been said before though, you can take upto 25% as a tax free cash lump sum, but this will diminish your annuity returns in the long term. It's a gamble upon how long you hope/expect to live once you've got your annuity.

Your ISAs don't attract any tax relief when you put the money in, BUT all your gains, should you make money, will be tax free when you decide to cash them in.
Also you can cash in part or all of your ISA at any time. You can't just randomly cash in part of your SIPP, as far as I'm aware.

John

[gekks] 09/8/2012 09:36

Can if they're dual listed.

[2350220] 09/8/2012 09:32

Thanks All for the replys.
It clears up what I already suspected, in that the SIPP holdings are ring fenced till one decides to cash it in, which I don't intend to for maybe ten years or so.

Have to say that the share price reaction is pretty depressing, considering how much is 'de-risked' and how successful the company has been.
I know that I've got to keep an eye to the long term, which I do with my SIPP holding, but regards my Spread Bet it seems such a shame that we haven't taken off like it did around the time of Hylas 1 launch.


All the best,
John

[jeffian] 09/8/2012 09:29

I'm not quite clear why you would want to move shares between a SIPP and an ISA. They're both tax-sheltered. What's the advantage?

[johncsimpson] 09/8/2012 08:00

Re SIPPs. The SIPP is a separate entity from an ISA. You cannot move money from the SIPP to an ISA period. What you can do, depending on your age (min 55 yrs) and what you're plans are is to take up to 25% of the SIPP as a cash lump sum. You could then put the allowed contribution into your ISA account. But it begs all sorts of questions depending on how large the SIPP is in the first place. Talk to your SIPP manager i.e. the organisation between you and your broker.

[kimball808] 09/8/2012 06:32

On the question of SIPP's and ISA's... What solutions do you have in the event of the SIPP/ISA provider going out of business. I know the first £85k is protected but seems you are shafted if the provider goes out of business for any funds in excess of £85k...a number of SIPP's each maxed to £85k??? I'm sure you can only have one ISA in your name???

[verymaryhinge] 09/8/2012 05:12

you are, of course, correct - that is what I meant - it was more about not being 'out' of the share.

[extrader] 08/8/2012 22:38

Hi VMH,

I think you've got this wrong.

You can't sell holdings in your SIPP and use the proceeds other than in connection with your pension arrangements.

What you CAN do - and I think you're meaning to say - is that you can sell AVN in your SIPP for cash (and then go on to buy another share ); you can buy AVN in your ISA (if you have spare cash or sell another ISA holding to generate cash); and you can ask your broker to deal at mid (or thereabouts) on the two transactions (unconnected except that you/your SIPP trustee are considered for practical purposes to be the 'same account'), which they may accommodate.

But you are NOT selling AVN in your SIPP to buy AVN in your ISA.

NAI, IANAL, DYOR etc
ATB

[2350220] 08/8/2012 20:48

VeryMaryHinge,
Can I ask what you mean by 'you can bed and ISA at the approproate time' ?
I've got quite a holding (well large amount for me) in my SIPP.
As I understand it, I can't take them out of my SIPP untill I take my pension.
So does the idea of bed and ISA not apply?

TiA
John