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[sweet karolina] 27/3/2017 21:10

Actually it means people can and do agree the main thrust of the argument but do not agree with all of it and that is what enables discussion to take place. Those who only see what suits their own sad and twisted agenda will always be able to convince themselves of whatever they want to convince themselves.

Do you know anything about AVO?

Do you have anything to contribute to the AVO discussion?

Or are you just a sad little troll following people around BBs with your inane, twisted agenda?

[supersonico] 27/3/2017 20:49

On it's own it means nothing.

But where it will matter is when for a significant proportion of the dialogue/posts there is no differing of opinion on a serial bases by multiple posters time and time again and where for the purposes of deception the 'differing opinions' are crafted theatrical tools to establish that an opinion has 'differed', but represent less than 1% of the dialogue.

The challenge for any one using the 'honestly held opinion' cloak will be demonstrating that a visible strongly formed pattern is merely coincidence rather than conspiracy when that pattern occurs every time a narrative is set by the primary Blogger and that opinion is always followed by the 2/3/4 posters who only chose to express those opinions on that narrative after the narrative was set by the primary Blogger and where 99% of there subsequent comments concur with the primary narrative.

At that point where comments look more choreographed on a repeated basis than a placebo board where the Primary blogger has no established interest then I would suggest the 'honestly held opinion' cloak is strongly challenged.

[sweet karolina] 27/3/2017 15:28

If an opinion differs from a primary bloggers opinion on some matters but largely aligns on others where the evidence is clear what does that mean?

[sweet karolina] 27/3/2017 15:12

Twirl,

As sinophi had not cancelled prior to the placing and open offer, they have not lied.

There are e-mails which indicated that the Chinese end customers were not happy a few days before the open offer. The Chinese did not terminate their order with Sinophi until after the open offer. The contract between Sinophi and AVO was not formally terminated until Feb - though the likelihood it would be was there from the moment the Chinese hospitals terminated. The company played down this likelihood in its RNSs, but the house broker was dropping enough hints.

The question is, given the massive slippage in the programme, was the company aware at the time of the placing and open offer that the previously announced timescales of 2017 were totally unrealistic and should revised timescales have been announced before raising money?

Personally I find it hard to believe that the company still thought that those timescales were valid at the time they raised the money. The slippage is extremely material and ought to have been announced so those taking part in the placing and then the open offer knew what they were investing in and could properly assess the risks they would be taking. It would seem that the Chinese hospitals, judging by what was said in the e-mails, were aware of a major slippage to 2019, as it turns out things have slipped further to 2020. This is what I mean by the company not being as forthcoming as it should have been. Ranting about lies and fraud is a big leap beyond what the evidence suggests in my view, which does not mean that fraud was not committed, as it may have been. David Evans sold all his shares without declaring it prior to the placing. Was that because he was aware of the placing? I doubt it, everyone knew money needed to be raised, though not precisely how and at what price. I suspect that the delays were known about and discussed at board meetings attended by David Evans and it is these that made him decide to sell. If this is the case then the question of whether the company did raise money on a knowingly false prospectus is valid. Whether those who took part in the placing and subsequent open offer would have a claim against the board is interesting and should such a claim be made it is likely that all funding would be pulled and the company would go bust very quickly. However all this is conjecture, not fact, and it is best to focus on what is known about the dire financial state of the company, which in turn makes it extremely unlikely that even the revised programme will be achieved in my view.

[pj 1] 27/3/2017 14:55

Wise decision.

[roydyor] 27/3/2017 14:52

Decision made. I will leave this for 6 months before coming back to it. A partnership seems to be the only way out. Too risky to buy.

[twirl] 27/3/2017 14:28

Knowing that Sinophi had cancelled prior to placing/open offer would constitute a lie.

[roydyor] 27/3/2017 13:34

I will have to leave it for now but the 2020 scenario is a bit worrying and will be something I will concentrate on next time I get back to this. Thanks for your advice SK.

[sweet karolina] 27/3/2017 13:26

roy,

"to be ready by 2017"

Now 2020 on latest programme, that should tell you a lot regarding what has transpired since the early conspiracy of optimism.

[roydyor] 27/3/2017 13:22

I have been reading up on the Wikipedia article, it is quite interesting and I will follow up on more lines of research.



There is even a mention of AVO.

"In January 2015, it was announced the UK would get its first high energy proton beam therapy centre a year earlier than expected.[75] A company named Advanced Oncotherapy signed a deal with Howard de Walden Estate to install a machine in Harley Street, the heart of private medicine in London, to be ready by 2017.[76] The company promises that its use of a linear accelerator allows for facilities one-third smaller and one-fifth the cost of facilities based on existing cyclotron designs. The NHS has been criticised by some doctors for buying "old" equipment.[77]"

[roydyor] 27/3/2017 12:39

I think you have hit on what I am thinking with striking a deal with Wonga.com. This has come too far and is desperately short of money so it is wide open for a partnership agreement with one of the larger companies. Don't ask me for names, I have only just started to take an interest.

[sweet karolina] 27/3/2017 12:28

As AVO have just provided Harley St as security for Blackfinch loan (with a personal guarantee - so Blackfinch not 100% confident that this security would get them their money back) I take it this means the Metric loan is completely off the table as that is the security they would want. Blackfinch loan assuming additional drawdown goes ahead provides money to keep going until Aug / Sep. What happens then? It certainly seems as though the liquidity is not there to support the Bracknor death spiral.

Short term desperation financing seems to be the name of the game so maybe in Aug they will strike a deal with Wonga.com. They may have completed some more module testing by then but will still be a year away from something they could call a working prototype.

[roydyor] 27/3/2017 11:14

Getting interesting, I like the appointment of Deconsruct(UK) ltd for the Harley St site.



Not in but keeping an eye.

[andy] 26/3/2017 10:53

Exactly what I thought!

OK I understand a profit isn't a profit until it's in the bank, but this looks a good bet to fall lower, but the trend is unbroken.

[supersonico] 24/3/2017 18:56

Lube Team Tortious Interference

[1savvyinvestor] 24/3/2017 09:55

I've decided to close my short. Enough profit. I think the price may have further to fall but I am quite positive re the involvement of Segulah. Not buying though!! Good luck; it would be great if the technology works.

[miffers] 23/3/2017 17:42

We're doomed

[supersonico] 23/3/2017 15:47

Lube Team update (Posters who only post on Frothy Targets)

Knigel.....Frothy Lube confirmed.. Chip paper Fungus
Roydyor........Only eats pastry, internet chip paper
Sweet Karolina...fading away..Frothy Cut and Paste Thelma / Aka Cynical Bear
IONLYPOSTAFTER.. Fordyce Spots.. perpetual Tantrum in a vacuum...mummy Louise
Andy...............on Autistic spectrum
Lobster...seeks original thought, keen like a puppy dog.
Taxidermist99...no one agrees with him.
boysie72.....indigestion of the mind
wise old elf....Did not know when to stop
mustafabigun..Counts Headlice.
Buriedtreasure... pretty Please help me out here.
Vanerci1. Embarrassingly desperate blogger .
Babbler.. Walbrook theology beat me.
Struth1.. confuses intimidation with persuasion
tortioustortoise..last hope ..snorts colemans
Supersonico...the untouchable master & legend
johnbri4. everyone else is wrong Karolina
loglorry 1 ..likes his toast black
Smithless..lives on a park bench
Cynical Bear..Sweet Karolina

[gerhart] 23/3/2017 10:40

I agree Savvy Re Segulah. There have been some largish sells too. Could also be MMs just de-risking and expecting more dumping by Bracknor.

I think we will understand more after the GM. Perhaps before that the company may even change funding track...who knows even cancel the GM to announce something else.

[1savvyinvestor] 23/3/2017 10:19

I'm curious as to the fall since Segulah. Thought that might have been quite a good vote of confidence. I've still got my short running but not through any sense of vindictiveness.!

[pj 1] 21/3/2017 14:32

Can you call an EGM above 5%?