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TSLA 1x Tsla

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Name Symbol Market Type
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  Price Change % Change Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Traded Last Trade
  -7.08 -1.99% 347.90 334.50 361.30 389.775 330.775 361.25 75 16:29:58

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17/4/2024
15:05
H,

Seems the logical play but by the looks of it, they're going all in on a moonshot with robotaxis.

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FT - 17/4/24

Tesla’s business — well, the bit that sells cars rather than hype — has been visibly in trouble for more than a year. Investor who came in expecting a bump-free glide towards the global EV mass market should have sold already, while bargain hunters attracted by last year’s slump will probably have been stopped out by this year’s slump.

That leaves only the meme jockeys and futurologists. For them, going all-in on robotaxis may sound great for the 2030-something forecasts, and an earnings tape-bomb is just a speed bump.

simon gordon
17/4/2024
13:22
Simon - yes I think Tesla should be positioning as an executive brand. That wasn't the ambition based on what the company has said, but they should reset IMO. The large vehicle markets are very different from each other so it is difficult to cover all sectors and only a handful of companies have done that.
hpcg
17/4/2024
12:49
CFb
A major EW war seems likely in the next say 15 years: - they come about every 100 years - it may not be nuclear, but each side is likely to target the others power stations.
Meanwhile Tesla Shareholders are being asked to re-approve Musks ludicrous 56Bn pay package

hosede
17/4/2024
10:56
Careful
Yes Bitcoin is the new (FAKE) gold and if (when) power supplies get knocked out in the next world war EVS will comes to a grinding halt

hosede
16/4/2024
22:30
Too much has been made about Tesla's first mover advantage and its unique technology.
Most experts have agreed that build quality is a problem relative to established manufacturers.
It takes time to get the corporate know-how as De Lorian found way back.

I think the basic car technology is commonplace already, and Tesla will struggle to get the market share and margins it once dreamed of.

Cathy Wood with her Arc fund and Ron Barron have millions tied up in Tesla,a grave error of judgement.
Nvidia will be a similar disaster, too much hype, there will be lots of competition.
Way overvalued.

There are lots of balloons ready to pop, including Bitcoin.

careful
16/4/2024
21:31
The media realises it can get clicks and eyeballs from mentioning Tesla or Musk and that is what sells the advertising.

Musk will never be liked by the Democrats because they get lobbied by the UAW and they have unsuccessfully set their sights on Tesla.

You'll note the sudden drop in "Trust & Like" from your article's graph coincided with Musk's initial attempt to acquire twitter. I'm sure you're also aware the first thing Musk did was to publish the internal Twitter emails, some of which showed they had been suppressing negative news stories about Biden and silently hiding posts by people the staff disagreed with.

Not everyone on the right are climate deniers but granted you've got the bible belts and inbreeding who think Trump is the second coming!

Most of the American population appear to be politically polarised and if any CEO says anything you can be guaranteed to upset almost half of them. I suspect the "Musk effect" is only going to get worse until the US elections are over.

cfb2
16/4/2024
21:19
I Agree with that, Musk has become a target for the Biden regime.

I have a friend who had around $1 million of stock, I dread to think how much he's lost recently.

Great tech, superb vehicles, but being dragged down by politics.

the cronk
16/4/2024
21:03
cfb,

It's bad business to alienate potential customers. Many on the alt-right don't believe in climate change or want net zero, so are not interested in EVs.

Most folk are too busy to read Twitter. Because his trolling is so outrageous he makes it onto mainstream news platforms and hurts his brand with negative headlines.

That's probably why the brand is becoming polluted and toxic to some potential buyers.

simon gordon
16/4/2024
20:53
Liberals are upset about Musk acquiring Twitter and care more about their ability to project what they feel is right rather than thinking for themselves.

When I buy a car I look at what it can do rather than what people think of me driving it. I'm driving an old Toyota, which has lived up to it's reputation for excellent reliability, but would switch to a Tesla when they have got FSD working in the UK to level 4. I've had exotic cars in the past and they have been nothing but unreliable and magnets for vandalism.

I expect many people would buy a Tesla if it were the only car capable of level 4 autonomy for the time benefits.

cfb2
16/4/2024
18:22
I couldn't afford either! - I have a fourteen year old Alfa Giulietta - But then I don't do a lot of miles these days
hosede
16/4/2024
18:00
I agree that the Tesla brand is not for you as you seem to have been swayed by the BMW and Mercedes advertising.
cfb2
16/4/2024
17:49
Cfb,

Also the Tesla's don't look that stylish. Pretty ordinary. Not sleek and luxurious.

simon gordon
16/4/2024
17:46
cfb,

An aspirational brand.

When I see a Tesla on the road I think of Musk the troll.

When I see a Merc or BMW I think they've got dosh.

simon gordon
16/4/2024
17:16
And Musk is trashing the brand with his wealthy audience who want to buy cutting edge cool, not a ranting troll.
simon gordon
16/4/2024
17:12
H,

Shouldn't Tesla's strategy be to become the BMW / Mercedes of electric vehicles?

Whereas the strategy is all over the place.

simon gordon
16/4/2024
17:06
hosede: I think the economy is going to kill a number of legacy car companies. The recent 10% cull shows me Tesla are making preparations to survive it. I think cheap robotaxis are a sensible market to move into if people are struggling to buy cars.
cfb2
16/4/2024
17:00
hpcg:
1) I am talking about manufacturing without any humans involved. Tesla have been preparing their assembly for their optimus robots with all assembly done from the top using click placements.
2) Robotaxi are unlikely to ever run entirely autonomously. They will need assistance in distributing them sensibly around usage areas. They will need to be managed for vandalism, incapacitation, damage etc. Once you have thousands of robotaxis you will want a control centre to do this.
3) I don't know this to be the case but I suspect there will be significant similarities between the robotaxi unveiled on 8th August and the new lower priced model. It is the only explanation I have for the rumours that fueled Reuter's article.
4) Even a small market is worth selling into if it is untapped at the moment. I note that BYD has had multiple failed attempts at opening a manufacturing plant in India.

cfb2
16/4/2024
16:51
cfb
I see you standing at the mast - saluting - and going down with the ship:-0
I'm afraid the global debt crisis is going to kill off the Green revolution - and probably a lot more

hosede
16/4/2024
16:45
Tesla has proven that making cars can be profitable. They could have made considerably more money if they hadn't put all that FSD hardware in them. They have been playing the long game since day one.

The likes of GM, Ford, VW etc. are not profitable because they have massive debts to service, legacy thinking, shareholders to placate and golden parachutes to prepare for when it all goes south!

cfb2
16/4/2024
16:32
cfb2
1) Every car company uses robots for manufacturing.
2) Latency? Not sure what you mean.
3) There is no robotaxi, it doesn't exist.
4) India and South America are small-car markets. I would think China will take the SA market.

hpcg
16/4/2024
16:28
That presumes these boards only serve to discuss money-making opportunities.

If that were the case, what are all the politics/pub/etc boards all about?


hpcg 16 Apr '24 - 10:58 - 10613 of 10615

blusteradjuster
16/4/2024
16:01
Making cars has NEVER been a very profitable enterprise - Musk is well aware of that
hosede
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