1x Tsla Discussion Threads

[pierre oreilly] 08/4/2024 21:17

Musk says although his autonomous taxis will occasionally prang and kill people, they'll prang and kill less often than the average driver, somehow making the deaths acceptable.

The fault with that logic is that a prang by a person is an accident, whereas a prang by a robotaxi is a software fault, leaving Tesla negligent. Not sure if Tesla or their designers will in the courts for manslaughter, but it's pretty clear they'll be there for damages. Along with the authority which permitted them to drive on the roads. Therefore, after a few prangs, permissions to use normal roads will surely be withdrawn in those places where it was allowed in the first place. Can't see robotaxis taking taking the world by storm. Great in theory, but not pragmatic in my view.

[hosede] 08/4/2024 20:37

But it has built all these costly mega factories which may prove to be White Elephants. It certainly doesn't deserve its ludicrously high valuation. Cathy's idea that it will be worh $200 a share in 2027 is pure fantasy

[hpcg] 08/4/2024 20:21

AI - it is behind Open AI and Alphabet at the very least - on the generative side anyway. Robot - doesn't exit, Boston Dynamics much ahead, Japanese firms too. Power storage is a commodity with ample competition. The supercharging and its charging lead I will give you.

It is far from a doomed company, but its growth has slowed considerably and in that case the multiple comes down, because that is how the people that manage billions of dollars think.

[cfb2] 08/4/2024 16:36

Without Robotaxis, and licensing the technology to everyone else, there is still the sale of cars, the power storage, the humanoid robot, AI, Dojo, Lithium refinery, supercharging network and licensing.

I can't think of any other company that has so many possibilities for multi-billion revenues as Tesla. Doesn't sound like a doomed company to me.

[hosede] 08/4/2024 14:10

Cathy has bought 2.3million Tesla shares this year. She must really believe in Robotaxis - cos without them the company is doomed.

[hosede] 06/4/2024 18:42

I wonder if they will ever fly :-o

[cfb2] 05/4/2024 22:53

Tesla to unveil Robotaxi design 8th August this year.

[hosede] 05/4/2024 19:37

But it's a lot of work to design and create it, if all it's going to do is pay for a few overheads.

[cfb2] 05/4/2024 18:09

As you point out, higher temperature allows higher concentrations of water vapour. The point I was making is that it is this mechanism that eventually forms clouds, transports the water around for free, and eventually falls as rainfall. Whilst the higher temperature will mean heavier bursts of rain it's a mechanism we don't want to change (actually you can fairly easily do this with cloud seeding). What we need to do is remove the gases that aren't supposed to be there and we've been pumping into the atmosphere since the industrial revolution.

[hosede] 05/4/2024 17:46

cfb
It is water VAPOUR that has the greenhouse effect
But every one degree rise in temperature allows 7%!! more water vapour to remain in the atmosphere as a gas rather than as a liquid (cloud) - so we have a massive feedback loop - That's the "tipping point" that climate scientists keep talking about +1.5 degrees - and we are just about there. That puts us on an automatic course to maybe +20 barring artificial things like reflective mirrors etc. etc. which may or may not work

[hosede] 05/4/2024 16:47

Bluster we're not going to reach carbon neutrality ever - we are FAR TOO BLOODY GREEDY And anyway it looks as though water vapour is now the main greenhouse gas

[hosede] 05/4/2024 16:44

Perhaps they will be able to convert their factories to tennis courts :-0

[juliemara] 05/4/2024 15:28

I bet you're fun at a dinner party!

[hosede] 05/4/2024 09:49

Maybe you should have said that to the passengers on the Titanic. The situation could turn out to be quite similar

[juliemara] 05/4/2024 07:26

Rather than perpetually posting negativity why not come up with some suggestions? Or have you taken the BBC's pledge?

[johnwise] 04/4/2024 23:10

It's not an investment, there is no chance of a reasonable return on capital spent from operational profits.The taxpayer is enriching with subsidies and in return it is getting intermittent and uncompetitively priced electricity.

Utter Stupidity

The UK’s new £9.1bn wind farm that's world's largest and will power 6 million homes when the Wind Blows

[johnwise] 04/4/2024 23:09

VIDEO

GB News Economics and Business Editor, Liam Halligan, discusses the plummet in electric car sales,

Electric car sales PLUMMET:
GB News

[hosede] 04/4/2024 17:48

Bear squeeze going on today i think