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|Just a case of tucking them away and waiting for the next update with a share like this.|
|It's good but like most shares it's slow going at the moment. :0(|
|Oakley's comments on margins, EIBT margin growth, and ROI over the last ~ 5 years sent me back to review the prospectus to better understand the history.
I'm still digging, no strong conclusions yet, but three interesting snippets from the prospectus:
(1) as noted before, 25 sites produced 86% of the group EBITDA. SO very little from the other ~35 sites.
(2) higher GM on drinks vs food, (~76% v 60%) and higher opex on food too. No surprises there but I wonder what the split of lfl sales increases between food and drinks has been in recent periods. The prospectus highlighted trends in LFL food and drink sales in the 2015 prospectus, with food growing much much faster (between 2012-2014 they got double-digit like-for-like revenue growth in food; with drinks +3.3%, -2.2%, +1.9% YoY)). But this breakdown has not featured in subsequent RNSs, IIRC. Overall gross margin is ticking up, but LFL is slowing, perhaps this reflects that little incremental food growth can be achieved - maxed out (and that drinks maxxed out earlier - witness the slow 2012-2014 LFLs noted above).
(3). larger sites (average customer space of 7750 sq ft) are much more profitable than smaller "standard format" sites (avg customer space of 4595 sq ft): avg development cost: 1.7m v 0.9m; avg rev 3.7 v 1.7; avg EBITDA 0.8 v 0.3; avg ROI 53% v 33%. The ROI calc uses EBITDA, as Oakley notes. (SOurce: page 45 of the prospectus)
But most of the subsequent site openings seem to be smaller sites - eg, the Nov 2016 update describes four standard format (albeit de Cubas, more profitable than the revolution formats). the less profitable smaller-sized formats. This is despite the prospectus stating: "Given the higher average profitability of the Group’s larger format bars, the Group currently plans to target larger sites for its expansion (the optimum size for new sites being, the Directors believe, between 8,000 and 16,000 square feet of gross space)." I wonder why they aren't opening larger sites? (Liverpool was the only larger format site opened in this and last year, and it opened "late in the second half" of FY16, though to be fair mgmt said they were targeting one large site per annum, so not that big a miss). Presumably they can't get suitable sites. Is it that hard? Given the relative greater profits, getting two big formats a year, would be very beneficial to earnings. Worth watching if they can open more larger bars in coming periods.
GLAH (I'm a holder)|
|Yes, RBG rent the sites. I guess they could buy the sites but then we probably wouldn't have the debt-free self-funded rollout that we have now. There would be debt.|
|Hi rogash. Yes, saw Paul's comments, but it is interesting to get a counter perspective from Phil, though.
Been doing my own refutation of Phil's analysis, including re-reading the prospectus to better understand the 2012 and 2013 results. A lot of which I had forgotten. One fact that really struck home was that (in 2015 at least) 25 sites produced 86% of the group EBITDA. So the other 35 or so sites at that time were negligible contributors. For the majority of sites, we wouldn't miss if they were gone. An interesting question is whether the new sites are likely to be like the really good ones, or the also-rans.|
|Paul Scott refutes Phil Oakley's analysis.|
|Next say that UK consumer spending trends will continue to grow in restaurant, pubs and entertainment. https://twitter.com/Jiabaochina/status/844860520041594880|
|words of caution from Phil Oakley
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|Worst case scenario immediate 20% loss, almost always followed by mini bounce as bargain hunters enter so regain 5%. Dividends continue to be paid as well so a bit of a cushion, so over the year a 10% hit. Get out of the market, when do you re enter? As long as there are no problems with your stock selections then you are then just thinking you can time entry and exit, something i have never been able to do. A friend of mine also runs a portfolio, he has a strict stock selection process which he follows rigidly. He doesn't look at the market at all. He reviews his portfolio at the end of the month to see if anything has changed with any of his selections and to see if any new opportunities have presented themselves based on his criteria. Wish i could do that!! He makes no foolish decisions based on market psychology and noise!|
|Excellent post - forced myself to read plenty on previous corrections / crashes regarding how little in the short term you lose compared to being out of the market.|
|Agreed PP but there's always the thought if you have cash reserves you can top up when or if it happens - I think you stated or made a passing comment about thinking of top slicing on Stockopedia recently.I've lost out years back on short term thinking but it's a case of self preservation just in case As I said above though look back at 2000 or even 8 years ago and really corrections get glossed over very quickly on the way North.|
|I bought on the fall offered up by the resigning FD, I had been looking to buy for a few weeks so was ready to jump in, delighted to have done so. I bought 5k worth in my sip and these will be going in the bottom drawer.|
|Just a thought, Paul Scott?|
|I think you often miss big gains if you are not prepared to be patient|
|people who comment here are so ridiculously short term in their outlook|
|Adding a balanced view though look where things have gone since then - just a glitch in the scheme of things if you held tight|
|Davros I went through 2000 and see similarities - you couldn't sell if you wanted to !|
|This is correcting Panic Trader! Upwards!|
|Just deal with them as/if they occur. In the meantime ride that bull. No point trying to second guess the market direction IMO|