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Atalaya Mining LSE:ATYM London Ordinary Share CY0106002112 ORD 7.5P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  -2.00p -1.36% 145.50p 144.00p 147.00p 147.50p 145.50p 147.50p 92,101 15:33:14
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Mining 83.8 -0.1 8.8 16.7 169.77

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25/4/2017
09:20
Atalaya Mining Daily Update: Atalaya Mining is listed in the Mining sector of the London Stock Exchange with ticker ATYM. The last closing price for Atalaya Mining was 147.50p.
Atalaya Mining has a 4 week average price of 125p and a 12 week average price of 125p.
The 1 year high share price is 166p while the 1 year low share price is currently 76p.
There are currently 116,679,555 shares in issue and the average daily traded volume is 79,846 shares. The market capitalisation of Atalaya Mining is £169,768,752.53.
24/4/2017
14:09
saintb: But how do Market Makers work exactly? A: Note what follows is unofficial but it comes from an informed source -: To lubricate their transactions, market makers need a supply, or inventory of the securities they support. This can either be real certificates, or via a process called 'stock lending' (don't worry about THAT one yet - it basically means they borrow stock or "pretend" they have it). Once you have an inventory of stock, and the concept of 'spread' (or 'edge'), a marvelous opportunity opens up. The average price at which a market maker accumulates a security and the average price at which he distributes it are going to be different. Add this to the fact that the market maker sets the price tick by tick, and boom! A license to print money. Observe closely, this is a good trick. I, as a market maker, decide (for no real reason, or perhaps because there has been some trivial news about them) that stock in ABC Corp is my plaything today. I don't have much of an inventory in that particular security, so what do I do? Mark up the price so external holders will sell me some? No. I mark the price DOWN. Oof. Some external parties see this as a buying opportunity, and as I am a market maker, I am obliged to sell them the security at the new, lower price, meaning I am even shorter on that security. Sounds mad, doesn't it? But it doesn't matter, because I mark the price down again. And again. And I keep on doing it till I hit the stops of external parties who are long, but weak, or the limit orders of people who are short. As a market maker, I know where these stops and limits are. I own the book, after all. Ordinary Joe Public mostly think the market follows the laws of supply and demand, follows trend lines or fibs etc, which means they all tend to put their stops in similar places ('resistance' anyone? 'support'? That's right, it exists!). This is a game of chicken, really, and YOU will ALWAYS crack before ME (the market maker), because I can take the market to zero, or to the moon. You have to meet a margin call. So now I am a market maker who has a LOT of supply of ABC Corp, which has fallen significantly in price. Looks like I'm holding a plum, doesn't it? What do I do next? That's right. I mark the price up. And I QUICKLY mark it up to the point at which the current price is ABOVE my average purchase price. So voila. I'm in profit. In a fairly big way. All I need to do now is unload this stock to you over a period of time at a price above my average, and I am rich. You, of course, sold it to me on the way down, and are regretting it because it is probably already way above where you exited (strange isn't it, how the market seems to 'hunt your stops', and then reverse?!) If I do this right (and it is an art form, for which successful brokers get paid multi-million dollar salaries), I create the illusion that the market is totally random, and is being driven by YOU, whereas I am simply a fee paid middleman, facilitating your activities. Even worse, I give you the vague impression that you are actually pretty good at it, and if you can only get your stops a little more accurate, you will stop losing money! As I mark the price up, external parties start to worry they will miss out on this growth, and begin an ABC Corp buying frenzy, allowing me to unload. Everyone is happy. Most of the investing public are sitting on unrealised (imaginary) assets, while I am converting worthless shares into hard cash. So, I have made a real, cash profit. You are sitting on an unrealised paper profit. We are all happy. Until I repeat the process and stop you out. Again. Are you getting the picture yet? In fact, once I have built a little momentum in a particular direction (long OR short) I can let you prolong it, settling simply for my spread profit. I know that eventually the run will peter out, and then I can force it the other way, easily dislodging those who took a position too near the end of that particular phase. Let me paraphrase. When the market is zooming up madly, market makers are actually selling (usually stock they don't own!) in preparation for a subsequent managed fall, during which they can buy it back for less (i.e. make a profit). When it is crashing down, they are actually acquiring stock, in preparation for the process of selling it back to you at a higher price (i.e. make another profit). Note: Market Makers can be quite devious. I held FEP some time ago and one day the shares started moving up, for no apparent reason. News was due but nothing was reported so investors assumed that perhaps it has leaked. A buying frenzy started, the shares moved ahead by 30%, but in a very short time the share price plummeted and was back to where it opened. I spoke to FEP about this action and was told that one of the market makers had a line of stock to clear. They raised the price to attract buyers, once the line was cleared they dropped it before most buyers could start taking profits. Only very few lucky and fast traders made anything that day, all other buyers paid over the odds for stock they either had to sell at a loss or were locked in to. That's one of the reasons I personally tend to be wary of stocks which are just MM controlled, preferring SETS or SETS/MM stocks, where I can see the order book (unless I'm very confident of a company's fundamentals). That said, I do sometimes hold market maker stocks.. Not my words of course. SaintB
21/4/2017
11:40
rougepierre: In the meantime, Mr 5,000 is undoubtedly manipulating this share price...for whatever reason.... Not only does he constantly sell at, or below the Bid, despite often being able to get better terms (e.g. by selling 2500 lots), but also he keeps varying the time, selling one lot every morning... There is no other strategy possible, other than to keep the share price down, because he could have sold far more at a much higher price when the market was bidding for 50,000 shares or more, ABOVE the Bid... My suspicions are that this is either a MM putting through artificial transactions or a 'friend' of TRAF keeping the price down for a Bid, or Astor through simple maliciousness... These 5k transactions are being done when the market is weaker or when it is quiet... Without them I have no doubt the share price would be very much higher... Ted, Scargs or somebody, could you contact the company and let them know what is happening, because they have access to their own Share Register (although I have no doubt these will be Nominee transactions, but even that would help the company and us to find out who is deliberately holding this share back...) AIMHO as usual...
12/4/2017
10:15
rougepierre: From another website... Re: Offtake agreements If Trafigura are indeed the "Third Party," I think I could successfully argue that the term "Third Party" does not correctly describe them (Trafigura)Trafigura are already a significant holder of shares in ATYM. It cannot surely be correct to merely describe them as a TP and in so doing, hide important information from either the Company or other shareholders.Surely a Third Party is NOT already associated in any meaningful way with the Company. Re: Offtake agreements Possibly, or Trafigura (sorry a third party) paid them handsomely to take over their offtake obligation.If Orion no longer have any interest in offtakes then might they be more inclined to accept a Trafigura takeover bid if it were to happen. Re: Offtake agreements If that is the case, then it would seem to indicate they expect significant appreciation in the share price here. Offtake agreements In the 2016 Annual Report it gives this information about the offtake agreements"XGC has been granted an offtake over 49.12% of life of mine reserves as per the NI 43-101 report issued in September 2016. Similarly, Orion has been granted an offtake over 31.54% and Trafigura 19.34% respectively of life of mine reserves as per the same NI 43-101 report."This is exactly as I understood it to be but It goes onto say"In November 2016, the Group was notified and consented the novation of the Orion offtake agreement as Orion reached an agreement with a third party to transfer the rights over the concentrates"(novation: the substitution of a new contract in place of an old one)So Orion have given up or sold the rights to their offtake agreement to a THIRD PARTY.If that is the case then Orion join Liberty Metals, Majedie Asset Management and us PI's as merely share holders with no extra benefits.That equates to around 55.5% of the shares in issue. The holders of these shares are relying on share price appreciation or dividends to see a return on their investment.
05/4/2017
13:02
laurence llewelyn binliner: There is a disconnect between the share price and fair value for sure Erric.., I'm just adding each year, it's always been a 10 year project here for me from 2010's ISA day.. Demonstrating we are a profit centre through results will help put us on the map for sure, will it set light to the share price .? I doubt it, but each quarter we are adding value now, and will be reducing our debt to Astor, it might take another year or 2, but sooner or later fair value will align with the share price . The share price is driven by buyers vs sellers, the company gets on with the job of adding value, and 1 day this gets noticed, from what I see, this is exactly what they are doing.., and doing a cracking job of it too.. 80% of Touro is the next pipeline project, 3-4 years out from here the Astor debt will be gone, and we could pretty much fund Touro out of cash @ the current Copper price, with $3.00 Copper it's done..! Many LTH's have been here as long or longer than I have from 2010, and it's been a very painful journey, but the fact is, the real journey into prosperity only began Jan '17 from full production capacity.. Q1 2017 run rate/tonnages/concentrate % / recovery rate/plant efficiency data mid April FY 2016 financials mid April Q1 2017 financials mid May.. all 3 perfectly timed for ISA bargains tomorrow..!
27/2/2017
11:16
reba: Acamas I wish I had your optimism on this share. For years ATYM's share price has been restricted in some form or another, and any good news from the company seems to have a very negative affect on the share price No-one in the major investment company sector is interested in ATYM as 75% of the shares are held by the 3/4 main owners, leaving a minimal amount left for the private investors. This last move might be good for the future in building a solid company but to me doing it at this time, after all we have been through in getting our own permits, leaves alot to be desired. I personally think they should have waited until the Astor court outcome was declared, pay off as much as they could with the cash we are supposedly making, and get us completely debt free. We also have at the moment no tax to pay for 1/2 years, so we could have built a nice nest egg and paid a divi which would have attracted large investment companies. How long is it going to take for the permits to come through and production to start in the recent acquisition, before we get any return.? just my thought on why the share price is not increasing to where it should be.
17/12/2016
07:09
mds2028: Hi HG, Been setting up a second business and running two has taken over my life at the moment. Been watching (and reading) with great interest. Some thoughts; Totally Agree with CuFe, the price is being pulled back by the 5k seller, we went up on demand, we are falling back on the 5K seller and the traders who looked at the story saw we are totally underpriced and bought in expecting us (like we always have wanted) to start matching our true value. MM's will never match a share against its true value, that's not their job, it is just to match buyers to sellers, sometimes shaking the tree if they have a big order so as to take out the weak. I find it outstanding that we have had no Director buying and would attribute some of the new holders as rightly reading this and seeing after all the good news the directors do not see any further value so why not sell at a 10-20% profit and move the money where there is potential as our own directors clearly do not see any. I am assuming (if I was to be positive) the directors maybe in another closed situation due to negotiations on the business expansion wich AL is dreaming of, if so, what would stop them telling us this. Oh I know absolutely terrible communication skills and an inept communication company who advises them. Re Astor, the court case starts on 30th Jan. Look how long it is taking our courts to tell the government that Camaron as well as running a terrible Remain campaign, didn't set the wording and situation for next steps on if we voted leaving for the process to smoothly transfer on. Which pretty well sums up his arrogance and out of touch nature with the mood of real people who are not part of the pampered elite and his inability to look and cover all situations appropriately, his ineptitude finally caught him out and I am glad his legacy will always be he messed up and own goal for the remain argument. Astor will roll into February and maybe even March, is there another high court they could go to if they lose? I don't know but if there is, Astor will need to do so, so as to have a strong case against their lawyers, by not taking it to our ultimate court as part of the process they would leave their lawyers with wriggle room, which I would have thought they should have learnt that lesson in not checking things properly and checking every opportunity and scenario. This is all about Traf playing their GS style of business ethics which they are already famous for (ie no ethics and honour at all), its all about money and bonuses, there is no place for gentlemanly behaviour and honour in their game. This was a delaying and negotiating game, AL said about 12-18 months ago that it was about coming to some arrangement, he never said (at that time) it was a matter of us being in the technical and legal right. Let us also not forget as a new investor with Traf's known history of screwing everyone and anyone, so as to make more money for themselves. This case has a big warning sign for any potential investor into us, if I was a medium sizes fund there would be no way I would touch us with a barge poll. Oh and look after running around the city numerous times AL has brought not one new investor to the party other than Liberty, who I suspect might be a but ticked off that AL's new boss Traf are trying to create a bigger mining company so they can have more discounted off takes, rather than return value (through dividends) to shareholders. AL's desire to have new projects to keep him busy is a very good reason to be worried at the moment. We can't take out a loan as Astot will start pointing to that surely. So are we being diluted again so Traf can have more off takes, or is it going to be a share swap with some hole in the ground exploration company that may not deliver any value at all. Lets face it we had two licences for land very close to our mine in a fantastic ore belt which we didn't take. Who's to say an expensive purchase will be any better than the licences we allowed to fold. I also notice company communication has not changed, I never get a notification of an RNS or new presentation going on the web site from C4. what happened to the newsletter? I remain disappointed in the management and highly concerned about Traf, like many on here I will be reducing my stake as soon as I am a little over my break even. This could have been soon as we should be paying out massive divides for 20 years and exploring the opportunities which we have already. But Traf wishes us to become a Glen, look at Glen massive debt and in trouble, when it was paying a divi it was just a 4% yield. If we were paying a divi and having it covered by 1-2 times think what our share price would be if we had a 4% yield. We would all be very happy I would suggest. But no greed Traf want more and so we will not see Divis' unless ridiculously small, more a drive / gamble for capital growth and off takes for the big three. The big three own & run this business and Liberty are the warning sign for any fund that takes a look. AL has done an amazing job, now let him go and work for Traf and lets have a caretaker CEO who is helping us milk our mine. But no they are already talking about wasting our profits on more discounted off takes for the big three. As you can tell I remain pessimistic but very pleased we have been saved by the rise in the copper price. If the copper price was here a year ago, I would bet we wouldn't be trying to screw Astor, as we wouldn't be concerned about the drain on our cash flow by honouring our contractual obligations to them. - So we were at over a month since the last presentation and still not hit nameplate - No Director buying - A big shareholder selling at least 5K a day, until they have hit their target of stock reduction they do not have to RNS until they have off loaded every share they have released to their broker, so it could be any of our investors, and yes I know at 5K a day it will take a long time to reduce. If you have a lot of share you would prefer to sell them in a big block and AL hasn't been able to get any institutions interested in us, so that route is closed, the only way is to bleed them into the market. Especially if your not happy with what Traf want as the next stage of the business - rather than return value to the Pi's that built this company, the company strategy is to blow its profits on another hole in the ground which may or may not give us a return Summary other than the share price (although improved) still not reflecting mathematical fair value. The market isn't interested and a lake of strategic clarity on on how you will get a return on our investment and Traf, would be the main reasons in my humble why no one is buying and the share price is in stagnation from its last flurry. Ha what do I know I invested in EMED and got that wrong
28/10/2016
13:14
laurence llewelyn binliner: It's the right thing to do to consider the Astor case if you're sat on the side lines now, but the share price has only gone down since the BOD decided to challenge the terms of the agreement, most likely through Trafigura's advice and direction, I would like to think that todays share price has this built into it at the current level. We did not use senior debt, we used equity, so we are already diluted to the same value as if we had the bank debt used in the valuation..? Absolute worst case outcome is we have to stick to the original agreement, which isn't so bad anyhow, $53M on drip over 6 or 7 years out of profits. It's not a show stopper, deal breaker, and it won't derail the project, you could call it an operating cost/overhead. Outside of this final obstacle, things are going very well indeed, scaled up to max capacity now and selling into a rising Copper price, if you look at the YTD Copper price or the 5 year chart, we are still in an uptrend.. $2.175/lb today. We have 4 broker notes collectively saying a sensible share price is £2.00.. It is hugely frustrating, watching so many other companies share price tear away tho', GLEN/KAZ just for starters, the majors are struggling along with $BN's of debt, BLT for example, and we are debt free, this just has to be advantageous in a valuation..?
01/7/2016
08:48
reba: Now Now Rouge we can't have you getting depressed like me. How was your holiday in the States.? You'd have thought with Kefi going plus it would have had some affect on the atym share price, but no such luck.
23/5/2016
08:56
acamas: reba, The only reason I disagree with you is that currently the big 3 have all paid way above the current value of the ATYM share price for the shares they now own in The Company. I cannot come to terms with them doing this without getting back their original investment and the profit from the resource mined One of us will be proved correct not sure who right now
10/3/2016
10:39
rougepierre: Meanwhile, I'm impressed but not surprised at how well the ATYM share price has held up this week while others such as GLEN, BLT, AAL, VED, LMI, etc have been plundered... On Tuesday alone some of them fell almost 20% on a modest decline in metal prices while ATYM only fell 5%... Keep the faith...2016 is the year...
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