Zoo Digital Share Discussion Threads

[amt] 30/4/2015 08:21

Terrible second half, 4.5m sales and loss of nearly 1m. However very bullish outlook so providing they can deliver a massive re-rating still on the cards.

[chesty1] 30/4/2015 07:44

Good ole ZOO

Never fails to deliver, or does it....

Lets see how the market reacts to another penciled in loss.

[bakunin] 28/4/2015 16:46

That is pretty simplistic logic, isn't it?
Do you think that Microsoft charge beta testers to test their products?
Do you think that Microsoft could ever get a single one of their products off the ground without beta testers?
You obviously don't understand the software industry, although I would say that you are probably right about SNTY. You need to be careful about transferring something that "works", ie your shorting, with one software company to another.

[chesty1] 28/4/2015 16:31

"Anybody who knows anything about the software industry would know that ZOO will have made very little upfront from the BBC deal"

They wouldn't have made anything out of the deal & probably had to work with them at a loss just to get them on board....

(zzzzzz)

[bakunin] 28/4/2015 16:22

So you ARE abcxyz etc.
Exact same words that he used (zzzzzz) and all the ....
Also I see you spend your valuable company time on the ADVFN BBs all day long making shorters' comments all over the place!
So, I think it is safe to say that saying you work for a company in this sector is a complete load of rubbish.
Anybody who knows anything about the software industry would know that ZOO will have made very little upfront from the BBC deal, so once again you demonstrate lack of knowledge about cloud-based SaaS licensing models by suggesting that the BBC deal in itself should be a game-changer.
The value of the BBC deal is the bait that it represents to the thousands of BBC-like entities around the world all needing translated subtitles.
The ZOO game is a long-term one.
You are only interested in the next few days.
Where you are being useful is in showing why there has been a small dip in the share price prior to the upcoming trading update...shorters have taken out their bets.
So, when the trading update appears, one of two very pronounced things will happen.
1) The trading update has some ambiguous aspects to it. You will appear every 10 minutes with your rubbish until you think you've made enough, the share price will suffer and then we don't hear from you again for some time.
2) The trading update causes a stampede to buy the shares. You will have to close the shorts that you have opened, causing a very sharp movement upwards in the share price. I believe there is a Technical Analyst site that has a 25p target from the current bull flag pattern.
I doubt that there will be an in-between.
From a fundamental point of view, I presume you do realise that the ticker is today at 56.6 million when it was 24m back in Sep 2014 and the ZooSubs service commenced in Sep 2012. If your maths is as good as your English, then you won't recognise an exponential function.

[chesty1] 28/4/2015 15:51

Bring on the results & we will see just how much ZOO is making/losing....

Surely the BBC deal will just send this into orbit with the amazing update with results....Then again freebies don't count for much when results are out do they......

Investors can see through wording which is why this never flew as much as most thought when the BBC deal was announced.

Anyway enough typed, lets see when they come out just how good this one is doing & not just base it on the ZOO ticker....zzzzzzz

[bakunin] 28/4/2015 15:17

Have we got to go through the whole conversation again?
You have demonstrated amply that you don't know what you are talking about.
You have said that you were tasked with checking out ZOO's technology for your company's purposes. ZOO only deployed the software from Sep. 2012 onwards!
So, this tech has not been around for many, many years as you say. Given that your company went on to develop their own system in-house (so you say), that means that your company has had this technology for no more than a couple of years at most.
And that is being really generous.
Actually, you are the same person as abc123 whatever and the other ID, all saying the same old stuff over and over.
None of what you have said stacks up.
You obviously don't work for any such company.
You are a professional shorter/shorter's labourer, back after a couple of months of the share price rising again, thinking you are on to a winner by spouting forth as much rubbish as you can.
The share price may very well go down after the update, but it won't be related to any of the rubbish that you have come up with.

[chesty1] 28/4/2015 13:44

I am not here to scare anyone into selling, just amazed by your post

"It would appear that the translators perform their work via browser.
I would imagine that they are well pleased at being able to work anywhere/anytime without the need for anything other than a browser."

Most companies out there I know of only use a browser to do any translations...

This is not rocket science, had ZOO have came out with this tech ten years ago then yes maybe it would be a different story....BUT not for me....

I will now leave you all to it, you know where I stand with ZOO & I wish you all well.

[bakunin] 28/4/2015 13:22

No, that was a question to you.
Are you a parrot? Second thoughts, parrots can actually repeat exactly what they hear. Humans differ from other species by having the capability of constructing new sentences, albeit some aren't very good at doing it.
I am obviously not privy to the BBC deal.
And, quite frankly, it is absurd for you to suggest that you are privy to your company's deal with Microsoft. If, indeed there is one.
With that last post, you now actually are starting to sound like those other 2 shorters a couple of months back who were claiming that Open Office is collaboration software!
Well, I suppose the share price has fallen back a bit with ZOO delaying coming out with its trading update, so I suppose you shorters feel encouraged by that and want to do your best to frighten everybody else into selling out before the update.

[chesty1] 28/4/2015 13:08

Sorry I asked how much ZOO was making out of the BBC deal ?

Obvioulsy after overheads? Direct and indirect costs? Attribution of amortised development costs to internal projects?

Any answer on that one....

[mudbath] 28/4/2015 11:14

Mikhail,I would welcome comment on the likely veracity of baa's "informed" and potentially game changing input regarding Migrate revenues.
Thanks, and sorry for the O/T.

[chesty1] 28/4/2015 11:12

Cheers Bakunin for your amazing insight.

I have been down on ZOO for years now ever since we was asked to look into using them.

Anyway all the best & hope the BBC makes ZOO millions, oh sorry they are doing it for free to use the name..I get it, great business that is for shareholders.

And to quote "I would imagine that you hardly cover your costs with Microsoft" nope wrong again, at least I know how much we are making from the deal, how about you with the BBC deal.....??? Please to tell I am waiting.....

[bakunin] 28/4/2015 10:59

I think you'll find that they can and they have.
So, what you have won't be usable by Microsoft themselves.
They will have to use you as middleman.
I would imagine that you hardly cover your costs with Microsoft.
And they will be VERY demanding. Asking you to do all sorts of extra stuff to get that games software to look good.
Sounds like you are either SDL or Keyword Solutions.
Both very overvalued companies.
Makes sense that you would want to diss ZOO.
You wouldn't want ZOO becoming really successful, now would you?

[bakunin] 28/4/2015 10:32

The future is providing a cloud-based system that the likes of the BBC can use in order to arrange for the translation themselves. All they need to do with ZOO's system is commission translators anywhere in the world and provide them with a login.
Your company won't be able to do that without being in breach of patent.
A slow death and, all the time, translation rates getting lower and lower because ZOO has a system that allows customers to get the work done without middlemen like yourselves.

[bakunin] 28/4/2015 10:23

Your company certainly won't be able to tender for business with the big boys like the BBC without being in breach of patent.
And so, your translation department is likely to die a slow death.
And all that inhouse development work down the drain for the peanuts that translation work pays.

[chesty1] 28/4/2015 09:47

We have an indesign server which EVERYONE with a login in can access & edit at any point Via a web browser....

I am not saying its better than ZOO I am just saying it can easily be done & other co's are already doing it....

[bakunin] 28/4/2015 09:13

In which case, name the software that your company are using.
The answer isn't IE or Firefox.
There will have to be integrated app like Acrobat or a plug-in developed app like those developed with Flash.
Name it.
If it does the whole mastering process, it will be an expensive piece of kit, not something that you can download from Sourceforge.
Otherwise, it is an integrated workflow process depending on metadata like that of ZOO.
In which case, you are probably in breach of one of ZOO's patents.
So, name the software you are using if it is so commonplace.

[bakunin] 27/4/2015 11:00

So, how come your company isn't doing as well as ZOO?
They must be taking all your business off you.
Ah, but I remember, your bunch is a big, big company and only do a bit of translating on the side if the customer really really asks for it.
You didn't seem to know too much about the technology the last time we had a little dialogue.
So, tell us all again, what is the case for the shorters? ZOO useless, never made a profit, need cash, technology is rubbish, blah, blah, blah.

[bakunin] 23/4/2015 10:15

Looks like the recent workflow patents are held via the Technology Strategy Board:
hxxp://www.datalog.co.uk/browse/detail.php/CompanyNumber/03858881/CompanyName/ZOO+DIGITAL+GROUP+PLC