Woodford Patient Capital Share Chat (WPCT)

Share Name	Share Symbol	Market	Type	Share ISIN	Share Description
Woodford Patient Capital Trust Plc	LSE:WPCT	London	Ordinary Share	GB00BVG1CF25	ORD 1P

	Price Change	% Change	Share Price	Bid Price	Offer Price	High Price	Low Price	Open Price	Shares Traded	Last Trade
	-0.25	-0.79%	31.30	31.15	31.50	31.75	31.05	31.50	1,879,905	15:24:08

Industry Sector	Turnover (m)	Profit (m)	EPS - Basic	PE Ratio	Market Cap (m)
Equity Investment Instruments	0.0	-3.8	-0.5	-	284

Woodford Patient Capital Share Discussion Threads

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12/11/2019 13:07	Do zoos employ monkeys then? I didn't know that.	kpo115	Read Full Thread Reply
12/11/2019 12:10	Whatever you think of Woody, he would never have allowed his staff at WIM to behave like this: https://www.standard.co.uk/business/dirty-bins-booze-and-shameful-squalor-of-financial-conduct-authority-s-hq-a4284851.html If you employ monkeys, youll have a zoo.	jonwig	Read Full Thread Reply
12/11/2019 08:05	jonwig:- Agreed re fleas See IP Group thread PUGUGLY 12 Nov '19 - 07:49 - 899 of 899 Edit 0 0 0 jonwig: Re NAV - Still the same valuation problems of unlisted as you so well exposed in respect of Woody's unlisted holdings - Also as well exposed recently we "We DONT Work"! All unlisted need valuing with a very large sack of salt especially where funding has come through EIS schemes which (IMO) is very discounted money. The other problem with UK unlisteds is that many get sold onto overseas - usually American companies - before their IP has developed robust and profitable commerial development. The discount here could therefore be well justified given the risk factors- The above comment could also apply to MERC after the recent IC golden words. Even the house broker does not see profit for the next couple of years.	pugugly	Read Full Thread Reply
12/11/2019 07:25	I've never given much thought to IP Group [IPO] - it's a Woodford dog-with-fleas, natch - but Questor in the Telegraph reckons his selling has provided an opportunity: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/investing/shares/questor-investors-run-fear-incubators-brave-may-scent-chance/	jonwig	Read Full Thread Reply
12/11/2019 07:24	@Goldenrain - thanks for the post, glad to hear you at least lost less than you could have done. Only got to glance at the BBs to see how many are still supporting Woodford, even now. What Neil claiming to do was not what he was actually doing, and that's putting it mildly. You've loaned the market some money, hope you recover it before too long.	spectoacc	Read Full Thread Reply
12/11/2019 05:24	So, I'm sitting here on the stoop of one of my American homes, not long after midnight, after a fine dinner with intelligent dear friends, listening to the cicadas and sipping a sublime Napa wine. I'm also reading investment counsel from a man who has lost a shed-load of money on BUR, another who, homeless, has never made any money but insists on asking people to pay for his egregious advice, and, hark, in the distance, a bullfrog making repetitive obsessive noises which have bored everybody else in the county into a restless sleep. And I think to myself, maybe I am the stupid one after all. That Oxford First, that hard won MBA from Harvard and I simply cannot in conscience put the words together to definitively and with such certainty tell the world where to put its money in a safe and profitable sanctuary. I can only do it for myself.	johnwig	Read Full Thread Reply
11/11/2019 23:01	@Goldenrain, I am glad the board was of help. The reality is that each one of us has something to learn from other posters who may have some expertise different from one’s own whether that be in a given share, or financial sector. @Tim3, it was the 100% sale of AZN within WEIF, but with no sales within the St. James funds and similar which did it for me. One simply HAD to start looking closely at the behaviour of the fund manager rather than the individual investments (that was bad enough, but his record had been good).	chucko1	Read Full Thread Reply
11/11/2019 22:21	Solomon7 Nov '19 - 13:36 - 197 of 229 Thank you for posting absolutely fascinating in depth look at his fund. The way it changed from mainly safe value stocks to highly speculative and momentum plays is spectacular, it basically changed identity completely. Investors have every right to feel angry.This was not just bad luck he exposed them to a high level of risk totally at odds with with the way the fund was marketed.	tim 3	Read Full Thread Reply
11/11/2019 19:45	@ Goldenrain - your first post, I see, and thank you for writing it, though I'm sorry to read it. Whilst you've suffered a loss, looking at the chart it could have been so much worse. A great many were taken in, and unfortunately are unlikely to get redress.	jonwig	Read Full Thread Reply
11/11/2019 19:06	I would like to thank jonwig, spectoacc, psychochomper, chucko1 for their posts. WPCT has costed me a 4 figure sum which could have been much more but for the discovery of this BB. Notwithstanding having sold back in June I follow this saga with interest. Why? In 30 years of careful investing I have never lost so much and am still kicking myself for buying the pitch from WIM without doing the research.	goldenrain	Read Full Thread Reply
11/11/2019 18:03	”Surely humph's point still stands.” Yes, it will stand forever as testimony to the consequences of being blinded by denial. You complain of repetition, but it seems it was the charitable nature offered by many of us to keep warning those of you who were ill-equipped to see the wood for the trees. Just trying to educate and inform where possible. Cannot really speak for anyone else.	psychochomper	Read Full Thread Reply
11/11/2019 17:50	I did not predict that WPCT would “go bust”. Merely that it was “doomed - doomed, I tell you”. Whatever the reader on this board takes away from such a comment, it lies in contrast with “filling one’s boots” (after mistakenly [and repeatedly, like a virgin trader] seeing a fall as overdone). If the point of this board (or any other, for that matter) is to educate and inform, it seems Balliol still has something to offer. And effortlessly, in keeping with past tradition. 78p to 31p within a few weeks for an investment trust would satisfy the meaning of such a comment.	psychochomper	Read Full Thread Reply
11/11/2019 17:42	I’m not sure this finds support here.	chucko1	Read Full Thread Reply
11/11/2019 15:02	Humphbumph, the point of all these comments was to try and get people like you to understand that there was indeed a relationship between the different funds. Can you STILL not understand that? Or was it pure coincidence that they have all crashed at the same time? Same question applies to your 4 green goddesses. The only difference between them all is the nature of the crashes: head-on, over a cliff and equipment failure. humphbumph - 09 Jun 2019 - 13:16:02 - 7422 of 11151 ::: WOODFORD PATIENT CAPITAL TRUST ::: - WPCT Spectoacc. Your first post here was just one month ago, which I would call "very late in the day". And now that I am here I would venture that you seem to be very confused. You never make clear which of the Woodford instruments you are attacking. There are important differences between open ended and closed ended funds, of which you seem to be unaware. Besides this is the WPCT thread. See the heading. As far as I can ascertain most of your comments were addressing WEIF which is of minimal interest to WPCT holders. Different kind of fund and very different type of investor.	psychochomper	Read Full Thread Reply
11/11/2019 14:29	@humphbumph - you'll find people who called it early (2016) and consistently, and are proven entirely right, tend not to be too popular. Lucky for me, anyone unable to provide a coherent argument why they continue to support Mr Woodford can go on the filter list. Can only imagine how much money they've lost along the way, believing the likes of HL, STJ, WIM, the press, the BBs... 4 green ticks for your post says it all :)) @CC2014 - none, as far as I'm aware. Personally not a fan of him!	spectoacc	Read Full Thread Reply
11/11/2019 12:49	It doesn't look like SpectoAcc is very much held in esteem around here, LOL. Nor very well liked. I'm not really surprised. I bet he didn't twig that jonwig's last post was a piece of satire!	humphbumph	Read Full Thread Reply
11/11/2019 08:26	Andrew Bailey explained to the PSC why it had to be gated: a queue for redemptions would have led to a rump of wholly illiquid stocks which would disadvantage later people in the queue - ie. private investors. Share Prophets yesterday agreed, and said the story must have been fed to the ST by Woodford or his PR team. Does Woody still harbour hopes of a comeback? The obvious name, "Phoenix Asset Management" has already been taken. There's a bird called a Booby, though. Maybe Pelican. (Filthy creature.)	jonwig	Read Full Thread Reply
11/11/2019 07:30	Disappointing Woody puff-piece on front of ST Business section yesterday. Basically saying how he was only given hours notice of Link suspending WEIF, how he'd not had a chance to explain how Kent CC could get their money back, how giving it back in specie hadn't been investigated. Nonsense, of course. More revisionist history about how Kent CC's withdrawal request was the cause of the end of WEIF. It'd been losing c.£10m/day in redemptions, Kent were less than a months worth. As for in specie - did they want handfuls of shares in all the still-unsold cr*p, the unicorns, and overhangs on the rest? How would that have benefited those still in? The fact the fund still isn't liquidated - nor likely to be anytime soon - says it all.	spectoacc	Read Full Thread Reply
09/11/2019 23:20	They didn't have a cart big enough to transport you there, even in the utterly unlikely event that anybody wanted to hear what you had to say! LOL! You're not allowed to repeat your pap twenty times when you're on TV.	johnwig	Read Full Thread Reply

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