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[guitarhaggis] 29/10/2020 15:40

Gozzie- I've just produced really strong evidence to suggest that wearing a face mask is of no actual benefit yet you've just completely skipped past it.

I suggest you make yourself a brew, get comfy and have a read of what I've just posted.

Then I'd suggest for at least one moment to ponder whether the Government and Mainstream Media are taking you for a ride?

[gozzie2] 29/10/2020 15:37

Clever that Khan .

[gozzie2] 29/10/2020 15:36

I'll stick to the korean doc .We take our choices who we believe. They have had success so I follow his advice .Take vitamin D as well it can't do any harm and may help .Dark skin have higher rates and they are vitamin d deficient its not proven but logical .

[gozzie2] 29/10/2020 15:32

If brains was dynamite he couldn't blow his hat off 'No risk' of catching coronavirus on the Tube, says Sadiq KhanSadiq Khan has said there is 'no risk' in using the Tube amid the coronavirus outbreak (Picture: Rex/Getty)Zoe DrewettTuesday 3 Mar 2020 10:14 amSadiq Khan has said there is 'no risk' of people catching coronavirus while travelling on buses or trains in the capital.The Mayor of London has urged people to continue to use the Tube and go to concerts despite the outbreak of the disease. So far in the UK, 39 people have tested positive to the virus.Mr Khan said it is 'important we don't spread panic or alarm' and urged politicians to 'reply upon the best advice we have from the public health experts and from the chief medical officer'. He told Good Morning Britain today: 'There is no risk in using the Tube or buses or other forms of public transport or going to a concert.'

[gozzie2] 29/10/2020 15:30

The London mayor said it was OK to crowd on buses and tubes in march .I was saying he was clueless then and I still say it .How do these people get elected .Useless

[guitarhaggis] 29/10/2020 15:30

Gozzie- Feast your eyes over this little lot then.


Swiss Policy Research

Are Face Masks Effective? The Evidence.
Updated: October 25, 2020; Published: July 30, 2020
Sha

An overview of the current evidence regarding the effectiveness of face masks.

1. Studies on the effectiveness of face masks
So far, most studies found little to no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth face masks in the general population, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control.

A May 2020 meta-study on pandemic influenza published by the US CDC found that face masks had no effect, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control. (Source)

A July 2020 review by the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medince found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth masks against virus infection or transmission. (Source)

A Covid-19 cross-country study by the University of East Anglia found that a mask requirement was of no benefit and could even increase the risk of infection. (Source)

An April 2020 review by two US professors in respiratory and infectious disease from the University of Illinois concluded that face masks have no effect in everyday life, neither as self-protection nor to protect third parties (so-called source control). (Source)

An article in the New England Journal of Medicine from May 2020 came to the conclusion that cloth face masks offer little to no protection in everyday life. (Source)

An April 2020 Cochrane review (preprint) found that face masks didn’t reduce influenza-like illness (ILI) cases, neither in the general population nor in health care workers. (Source)

An April 2020 review by the Norwich School of Medicine (preprint) found that “the evidence is not sufficiently strong to support widespread use of facemasks”, but supports the use of masks by “particularly vulnerable individuals when in transient higher risk situations.” (Source)

A July 2020 study by Japanese researchers found that cloth masks “offer zero protection against coronavirus” due to their large pore size and generally poor fit. (Source)

A 2015 study in the British Medical Journal BMJ Open found that cloth masks were penetrated by 97% of particles and may increase infection risk by retaining moisture or repeated use. (Source)

An August 2020 review by a German professor in virology, epidemiology and hygiene found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth face masks and that the improper daily use of masks by the public may in fact lead to an increase in infections. (Source)

Additional aspects

There is increasing evidence that the SARS-2 coronavirus is transmitted, at least in indoor settings, not only by droplets but also by smaller aerosols. However, due to their large pore size and poor fit, cloth masks cannot filter out aerosols (see video analysis below): over 90% of aerosols penetrate or bypass the mask and fill a medium-sized room within minutes.

The WHO admitted to the BBC that its June 2020 mask policy update was due not to new evidence but “political lobbying”: “We had been told by various sources WHO committee reviewing the evidence had not backed masks but they recommended them due to political lobbying. This point was put to WHO who did not deny.” (D. Cohen, BBC Medical Corresponent).

An analysis by the US CDC found that 85% of people infected with the new coronavirus reported wearing a mask “always” (70.6%) or “often” (14.4%). Compared to the control group of uninfected people, always wearing a mask did not reduce the risk of infection.

Japan, despite its widespread use of face masks, experienced its most recent influenza epidemic with more than 5 million people falling ill just one year ago, in January and February 2019. However, unlike SARS-CoV-2, the influenza virus is easily transmitted by children, too.

Many states that introduced mandatory face masks on public transport and in shops in spring, such as Hawaii, California, Argentina, Spain, France, Japan and Israel, saw a strong increase in infections from July onwards, indicating a low effectiveness of mask policies. (More examples)

Austrian scientists found that the introduction, retraction and re-introduction of a face mask mandate in Austria had no influence on the coronavirus infection rate.

In the US state of Kansas, the 90 counties without mask mandates had lower coronavirus infection rates than the 15 counties with mask mandates. To hide this fact, the Kansas health department tried to manipulate the official statistics and data presentation.

Contrary to common belief, studies in hospitals found that the wearing of a medical mask by surgeons during operations didn’t reduce post-operative bacterial wound infections in patients.
During the notorious 1918 influenza pandemic, the use of cloth face masks among the general population was widespread and in some places mandatory, but they made no difference.
Asian countries with low covid infection and death rates benefited not from face masks but mainly from early border closures. This is confirmed by Scandinavian countries like Norway, Finland and Denmark, which didn’t introduce mask mandates but closed borders early and saw very low covid infection and death rates, too.

Researchers from the University of Minnesota found that the infectious dose of SARS-CoV-2 is just 300 virions (viral particles), whereas a single minute of normal speaking may generate more than 750,000 virions, making cloth face masks unlikely to prevent an infectious dose.

To date, the only randomized controlled trial on the efficacy of face masks against covid infection in a community setting was done in Denmark. According to press reports, it found no effect of face masks, but the publication of the study has been denied by three major journals.

Development of cases after mask mandates
In many states, infections began to increase after mask mandates were introduced. The following chart shows the very typical example of France. Other examples include California, Florida, Hawaii, Argentina, Peru, the Philippines, Spain, Italy, the UK, Israel, Japan, Switzerland and many more.

[gozzie2] 29/10/2020 15:28

Well the countries that wear them have done better the Asian ones .And if it helps a little you would err on the cautious side even in march .They knew what the Asians korea Taiwan etc was doing .Why not get rid of handkerchiefs then. Can I sneeze over your wetherspoons full breakfast next time then lol

[guitarhaggis] 29/10/2020 15:24

Gozzie- I've even heard a highly a qualified physician saying that it's questionable as to whether they should wear them while in a hospital setting but that because they've been wearing them for 100 years now the situation isn't going to change.

[bad gateway] 29/10/2020 15:22

You might just be right there. lol

[gozzie2] 29/10/2020 15:19

Its not a conspiracy. These people are so bad at their jobs it just looks like one lol .

[gozzie2] 29/10/2020 15:15

John Ashton he works for the Bahrain King now. https://youtu.be/Zfg6Vy__Kr0

[gozzie2] 29/10/2020 15:13

That video you showed shows how clueless they are .A top health care advisor almost got thrown off question time in march by calling them useless.https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1254616/bbc-question-time-fiona-bruce-coronavirus-pandemic-UK-boris-johnson-conservatives-ashton

[gozzie2] 29/10/2020 15:10

15 mins in if you want to skip some hes spot on all the way through ,he must be psychic or clever .I think he's clever .

[gozzie2] 29/10/2020 15:08

That was the bad advice lol .That will come back to haunt them .Listen to the korean guy in March they have 500 deaths we have 60000 and counting .He says if masks don't work why do health care workers wear them of course they help .They hadn't got any masks to give people .https://youtu.be/gAk7aX5hksU

[bad gateway] 29/10/2020 14:59

Sorry about your niece GOZZIE. My mums well into her 80's has had an ok life and is highly religious so convinced she'll be going to a better place anyway so not so bad.
Wish there was a magic cure for your niece. I read loads years ago studies from Spain mostly on high levels of thc destroying cancerous tumors but nothing was followed up so who knows.
ATB.

[guitarhaggis] 29/10/2020 14:57

Regarding masks, they don't do any good anyway as our illustrious leaders and 'experts' have been telling us.

(2 minute vid, second post down)

[guitarhaggis] 29/10/2020 14:53

Gozzie- Your Mum has every reason to be angry as covid absolutely doesn't justify your niece or anybody else in a similar situation missing their treatment. These are often the forgotten victims in all this.

[gozzie2] 29/10/2020 14:45

My mums annoyed my niece treatment has been interrupted for cancer .34 terminal with a1 year old and 10 year old .Not a thing wrong last Xmas you wouldn't have met anyone as healthy living .You don't know whats around the corner .

[gozzie2] 29/10/2020 14:41

I don't disagree with that .I'm sure its happened in some cases to keep it out of the hospitals .

[guitarhaggis] 29/10/2020 14:39

I also saw a news report on tv of a care home that had totally sealed it's premises, no visitors, staff moved in and deliveries quarantined, no sign of covid whatsoever. Perfect. Then at the end of the report the owner said he was extremely worried because the authorities were pushing him into taking a patient from a local hospital because he had one spare bed. The carehome policy was no mistake.

[gozzie2] 29/10/2020 14:34

I agree that some of the deaths could have had covid put on the certificate, that doesn't mean its not a serious situation.

[gozzie2] 29/10/2020 14:32

They didn't want masks because they didn't have enough to go round but a face covering would have helped .In the end most of us will get it but if its spread over a year the NHS could cope. They haven't enough beds or staff especially if some get ill .Why blame the nhs they get told what to do .

[guitarhaggis] 29/10/2020 14:29

bad gateway- That's awful, I'm sorry to hear that.

A friends friends Mum of mine was given 4 weeks to live with a brain tumour at the beginning of all this and unfortunately died. Covid was put on the death certificate yet it hadn't ever been mentioned beforehand. It's absolutely scandalous what's been going on.

[gozzie2] 29/10/2020 14:29

I agree with the carehomes.Sorry to hear about your mum .