Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[superg1] 07/3/2017 17:18

Some should keep an eye on lateral events on their own shares. More on that another time once I've finished digging :-)

[superg1] 07/3/2017 17:16

Eel

Not what I heard via a city route.

I thought this was a clear enough hint

"@optivalondon, our new friends :) "

[luckyorange] 07/3/2017 17:12

I'm yet to be convinced that they have found the ideal method for producing graphene enhanced batteries.

'Potential to outperform other types of energy storage

Saint Jean Carbon say there are a “number of very strong possibilities” in how graphene batteries can outperform any other known type of energy storage device.

The key, they claim, lies in how graphene changes the properties of the anode of the lithium ion battery to significantly increase performance – particularly the rate of absorption.

However, a particular difficulty that besets developers making devices that exploit graphene’s superfast electrical conductivity is contamination – it is easy to accidentally introduce impurities into the material.

Even a single foreign molecule can contaminate graphene enough to significantly alter its electrical properties.

However, by using their own graphene production capability, Saint Jean Carbon say the material they will be producing has a purity of “99.999999%gC.”



Usually when I come out with something like the first statement I'm proved wrong :-)

[luckyorange] 07/3/2017 17:04

Made me laugh the experiment they did with this one, bit extreme but proved the point lol.

[luckyorange] 07/3/2017 16:58

Almost every day something pops up where the addition/use of graphene creates better and more flexible products, would it be fair to say that it has changed the future or do we need to wait and look back historically in x years time?

[eel tamer] 07/3/2017 15:37

Nope SG, Optiva runs this event that Versarien will appear at: Momentous Events (@Momentous_UK)3/6/17, 5:40 PMMomentous Events 09/03 is pleased to announce #VRS @versarien attending the investor event. Event details momentousevents.uk pic.twitter.com/FzNOp8337p

[superg1] 07/3/2017 15:16

Neill Ricketts‏ @neillricketts 1h1 hour ago
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Neill Ricketts Retweeted Momentous Events
Looking forward to also seeing @optivalondon, our new friends :) and @DavidBurton1971 @VOXmarkets

I'm guessing Optiva must have come in for some too or going to.

[superg1] 07/3/2017 15:12

Peel clearly still have what's left of the supply.

[superg1] 07/3/2017 15:10

TP

They can put it into a pellet form in the host material. Dispersion complete at that point and the end user just loads into into the composite at the desired level with no specialist dispersion or mixing needed their end.

In the OEM case they did a resin loaded batch as in the news.

[timbo003] 07/3/2017 14:40

SG has bought up Haydale (yet again) so I should respond, although I have been trying to stay on topic on this thread (i.e. to discuss Versarian not Haydale).

Haydale state on their web site:

"Graphene does not readily mix with other materials, it must first be appropriately functionalised so that the end product can take full advantage of its superior properties."


Haydale do not state that it is always necessary to functionalize graphene, they state that to take full advantage of it's superior properties it should be appropriately functionalized (which is not the same thing)

By way of an example, by adding functionalized graphene to Scott Bader's resins, Haydale have achieved increases of up to 200% in both tensile stiffness and strength which represent a major leap forward in resins technology.


I am sure there is data out there showing more modest increases in tensile stiffness and strength using GNPs which have not undergone an additional functionalization step, but to date I have not seen anything approaching 200%. Has anyone else?

[the prophet] 07/3/2017 14:30

sg, thanks

timbo, sounds reasonable to me. So far VRS have not needed additional functionalisation, whether they will ever need it , I don't know. One thing that was clear from my meeting at VRS is this business of graphene production is almost a daily learning curve. eg, a few months ago at the VRS open day, VRS said that their graphene had to be used 'fresh', now it has a shelf life of 'months'. Very important factor in trying to even out production to meet orders. Anyway, that's just by way of example, and I would not be at all surprised to learn that due to advances in VRS's technology and understanding, they may well never need to functionalise, or least functionalise via a third party.
I don't know much about HAYD and have no real view one way or the other on their business.

[timbo003] 07/3/2017 14:18

>>>>>TP

I agree, VRS have found a number of applications where they do not need an additional functionalization step and I don't think anyone is disputing that, I suspect in many cases this is possible because the VRS GNPs are already functionalized to some degree during the manufacturing process. How else could anyone account for the results from the elemental analysis of the VRS GNPs:

Carbon: 98%
Nitrogen: 0.2%
Oxygen: 1.5%
Other: 0.3%

[superg1] 07/3/2017 14:10

TP

Craig Dawson (2D tech) said that too on the open day. The paper on the production also states it. The CEO states it.

Hayd claim otherwise that's up to them.

[superg1] 07/3/2017 14:06

I give up with you Timbo you just lie and it's pointless engaging so I'll stick you on filter. Perhaps you should join Ray and help him carry on the Haydale lie.

It;s the sort of thing the bears jump on once they spot it so best of luck.

You asked me post to post on Haydale so I stopped. Yet you carry on here with lies.


Filtered.

[the prophet] 07/3/2017 14:02

If I could just add something to the functionalisation debate. On a recent visit to VRS I asked if VRS's graphene needed functionalisation. The answer was no and that , so far, they haven't needed to use Haydale's services.NR did go into a bit more technical detail as to why that was the case.So this issue is a non-issue for VRS.

[superg1] 07/3/2017 14:01

So in all that debate what we find is that not only are VRS GNPS few layer which no one else worldwide seems to be able to produce commercially. They may also be unique as there is no middle man like Haydale to pay for functionalisation.

To me functionalisation has a big issue. You could use many 1000's of chemicals additive combinations per use then that multiplies by the loading levels.

It would takes decades and 100's of £millions to go through the list and test them at which point you may find unaltered GNPs are the best.

At some point in the future it may be they adding chemical X =Y2 in 2.34% loadings gives a 5% gain than on untreated. Perhaps Hayd can send a few 100 mill doing that.

It's been a long road (10 plus years) to get viable GNPs and proof of performance.

[timbo003] 07/3/2017 13:58

>>>>>SG, just give it a rest, I am recalling what was said by the CEO, you were not there, I was, you are not the font of all knowledge, get over it.

[superg1] 07/3/2017 13:43

EG

Haydale's website

WHY IS FUNCTIONALISATION IMPORTANT?

"Graphene does not readily mix with other materials, it must first be appropriately functionalised so that the end product can take full advantage of its superior properties."

They add

"Functionalisation adds compatible chemical groups to the material surface to enable proper dispersion."

They haven't said, not In some cases, not in some uses, they say GRAPHENE IE all of it needs to be functionalised before use in the end product.

That is untrue. Hyadale continue to spout false information. I know Ray has been hopping up and down about posts on the topic, but his website make false claims.

Get over it, most on the AIM do it and Ray needs to stop telling investors and funds that all graphene needs functionalisation. Fat chance really as it undermines the business plan and identifies the false information pushed out so far to get backing.

[superg1] 07/3/2017 13:36

Timbo so now you add lies on top of lies would do you persist?

You have been virtually hell bent on proving that all GNPs need functionalisation as that's what Haydale say.

You stated that in recent posts saying they must be in some way even VRS.

re

"I am merely telling you what was said at the Shares Mag meeting."

NO what you said earlier is that The CEO alluded to that.

So you took it as a hint.

the CEO as posted has said No need for functionalisation.

To repeat the answer I got this morning

"We haven't used any functionalisation , product works out of the tin"

Is that clear enough. If you are worried about it and that Hayd claims may not be true, then sell up, hang on, buy more or carry on with misinformation. It's up to you.

[petewy] 07/3/2017 12:17

Timbo : it's obviously complete and utter b*ll*cks (quote)

[phoenixs] 07/3/2017 10:52

I wonder how many PLHC still have in their locker. Cannot be many left. 500000 approx bought this morning alone.

[timbo003] 07/3/2017 08:49

>>>>>>SG

It's not me pushing false info.

I do not defend the position that all GNPs need functionalization, it is you who who keeps bringing this up. I am merely telling you what was said at the Shares Mag meeting.

I fail to understand why you are so obsessed by this. I have suggested to you that you several times that should write to Haydale to point out your objections, yet you have failed to do this.

[superg1] 07/3/2017 08:26

Hastings

I'm intrigued by the bit about going live re ink.

Then fist thing this morning I was thinking they are bound to give the ink a brand name so suspect we have some sort of ink launch to come similar to the Nanene launch.

Off to dig.

[superg1] 07/3/2017 08:22

So Timbo can you please stop pushing out false information.

You continually defend that all GNPs need functionalisation.

As for Thomas Swann perhaps they need to functionalise theirs, I have no idea, but they don't seem to have an MOU with Haydale.

[superg1] 07/3/2017 08:18

TIMBO

Pay attention due to your obsession and refusal to accept what I have pointed out about Haydales claims. I emailed VRS with a series of points on functionalisation for their GNPs.

I was specific on the questions but added this general one at the end, they covered all use.

"In the trials carried out were GNPs adjusted in any way to enhance performance. Is there anything in the process that would amount to functionalisation before use, or in general is the end product post the production then ready to use."

Answer

"We haven't used any functionalisation , product works out of the tin"


So Haydale claims are untrue perhaps you could let Ray know. I knew that way back but you refuse to accept it. So there is your answer.

So not only do VRS look like the only commercial supplier of 1-5 layer high quality GNPs in general they don't need functionalisation.

A massive breakthrough then. No need for Haydale in many uses.

I'll quite happily spread the word about Haydale misinformation if you wish. Ray knows it's untrue he has done for some time. Has he removed the claim off the website yet?