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[superg1] 14/12/2019 20:24

WR

From a market maker I spoke to.

He said Nomads are 100% bent, all of them, he's not happy with it but to speak out means your job is gone. An FCA guy was with us soaking it all up.

[wr63] 14/12/2019 20:19

Lucky, thanks for posting the link to those interviews, I have watched them. Really open and seemingly honest explanation how the MMs work.I suspect many of us thought they got up to some of the tricks but to hear it direct from him saying what they do - basically anything they want to - was really good.As SuperG said everyone should make time to watch them.

[luckyorange] 14/12/2019 19:33

The same will apply to spreadbet shorts, they will be targeted to be forced out at some point although there is a greater risk there that shorts won't pay up hence the limited allowance on shorting and inability to get shares to short at times.

[luckyorange] 14/12/2019 19:31

Should have clarified superg , the spreadbetting companies use bots and have programmers employed to ensure that they are on the winning side. The bots know where the stop losses are on s/b's and CFD's .

It is a no brainer for the likes of IG, like the old one armed bandits which clearly display you are going to lose the majority of your money.

[superg1] 14/12/2019 19:03

Lucky

He explained no bots on the AIM just one member of staff with 100 or more Aim companies to deal with, that they track done so alphabetically so they don't get a whole sector to deal with.

EG oil price drop and all oil companies to cover, they would not be able to cope.

Jobs are to check the news of their list, judge it and react accordingly.

It sounds like a lot but only a few of 100 will get news.

I did, early this year go through every news item for the Aim first thing to look for bad news trade opportunities, if the share has enough action on it and the MMs knock it down sharply, stop losses, margin calls and panic selling tends to send it well oversold.

A quick check for funds in it gives you an idea if a relevant is going to have a teddy throwing event.

[luckyorange] 14/12/2019 18:20

mm's were struggling to supply shares on the drop on Friday, they were ringing around for shares and got a firm no so the drop may have given them minimal profit.

[luckyorange] 14/12/2019 18:10

Most honest interview on mm tactics and position that anyone could get other than doing the job themselves.

Doesn't mean they are the bad guys most of the time though, they need to be there to keep the market real.

As you know superg the bots tend to control the markets and they love spreadbets and stop losses which will always be around the 0's because that is where we put them for last resort.

So the fall doesn't stop until they hit that ground zero if you like!

They get caught out too on a buying run and have to sell to preferred customers (i.e. HL) or lose their business as saying no isn't an option, so it is always a situation of trying to balance the books to the 60% upside or go out of business.

Remember looking at something a long time back and forgetting all of the traders/investors the most important thing to do is to try and work out what mm's are going to do for greater success in trading.

If you look at it with the mind of a mm then you can gain make some sense out of it which reduces the desire to press the panic button.

Everyone should listen to it , it is a rare opportunity to learn from their perspective.

[goody bag] 14/12/2019 18:01

You're obsessed man 😶

[superg1] 14/12/2019 17:18

LO

Thanks once again, I listened to part one and two.

Anyone that doesn't bother and uses level 2 trades and so on will be at a disadvantage to others that listen and soak it up.

So on RNS day the analysts saw revenue down etc and took the price down as a result of that assuming orders affected and so on. That's what they do it's in the link.

On any price surge either way they try to judge when it's overdone, they say it always overshoots on bad/good news etc.

They work on the basis that a number are day traders so they then go for a tree shake, price drops someone sells which triggers another to sell so the Mms will keep marking it down trying to get the shares cheaper, then they pop it up to sell the shares they took out of week hands.

We see it all the time, we say it, but that spells it out. Icebergs, dark pools, funds trying to hide big buy or big sell orders and so on.

[festario] 14/12/2019 16:39

Filtered Dean Haigh you mean.

[bobsworth] 14/12/2019 16:23

Brassneck2

Pleased to hear that “Concrete in testing and progressing well”.

AECOM must be pleased!

A reminder of what they have said!
By 2025, more than 50 percent of building materials are expected to contain nanomaterials as more people take benefit of these lighter, stronger and more energy efficient materials.
Bill Looney, Environment director of AECOM

[1teepee] 14/12/2019 16:00

Lets hope the GEIC will pull out some more impressive technology

[1teepee] 14/12/2019 16:00

Very naughty putting a picture of an airbus a350 in the graphene product gallery when their is nothing about it on the page they provide to read all about the amazing achievements.a bike helmet and bicycle tyres

[club sandwich] 14/12/2019 15:35

teepee - Dean Haigh isn't even short. he doesn't know how to buy or sell shares, let alone sell shares he doesn't own. he just sits in his cold, dingy little bedsit in Salford, dreading the knock on the door from the landlord he owes money to, debating his next flit from the bailiffs to his next lonely room. desperately sad really. the only thing he has in his life is trying to bait those much more materially successful than himself, those who have families, and houses, and jobs, and really quite decent incomes.

[alchemy] 14/12/2019 15:28

40 or so extra projects.By the time these get to revenue we'll be getting more experience of revenue boosts each half year and concrete views of what the current top five are adding - Kind of the same thing I suppose.These next forty projects will at least double the perspective earnings envisaged two or three years at each point of time as we move on because plausibility will rise even in Missouri.So instead say of X pounds in 2023 see 2X.Blessings of Unicorns as someone quietly said to me some weeks back.

[1teepee] 14/12/2019 15:15

Hi shorter scum

[1teepee] 14/12/2019 15:15

Filtered shorter scum