Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[superg1] 14/12/2019 11:33

I love those sorts of things Lucky.

You can't make it up :-)

Spencer Crooks, ex Director of Market Making at Winterfloods

[garfield31] 14/12/2019 11:15

Brassneck2 thank you for your post on the meeting which I have just read. Very informative and reassuring. The news regarding China is encouraging.

[1teepee] 14/12/2019 10:48

Started by the same person as, possibly hTTps://www.vittoria.com/eu/

[matheus7777] 14/12/2019 10:47

Brilliant video re Winterfloods, thanks for posting. Very informative

[1teepee] 14/12/2019 10:46

This company could be Europe's competition to the UKs versarien Way behind still

[vice versa] 14/12/2019 10:39

Zhucheng City contains the largest ever find of dinosaur fossils on Earth (notwithstanding ADVFN), including Hadrosaurs, tyrannasaurus rex & nineiron buttisauruses. A veritable dragons' den.

[luckyorange] 14/12/2019 10:11

Because VRS has a lot of PI involvement the only shorting that can be taken out is on spreadbetting companies as there are few II's who will loan them out for shorting at the moment.

s/b companies limit their risk on the amount of shorts allowed / long taken out usually around 25% and stop there.

s/b companies use bots to take money out of peoples pockets that is why 80% or more lose money on spreadbets, best solution to that for most is don't use them on AIM companies as it is an easy target as many have recently found out.

mm's short of shares target spreadbetters to fill their stock needs. If anyone listens to the link they will know that the network of mm's are in regular contact and 'tree shakes' are part of their strategy.

On the flip side they don't always win but are happy with 6 out of 10 success rate.

[1teepee] 14/12/2019 09:51

Thanks , I got wiped out yesterday in the spreadbet. Only a small amount as my large holding of Vrs is in an isa.Will watch that, cheersBloody market makers

[superg1] 14/12/2019 09:49

That was me BTW removing that photo it costs coins to do it.

[1teepee] 14/12/2019 09:42

We have all read it already , please, no need to clutter

[luckyorange] 14/12/2019 09:42

For those that want to know how mm's operate , listen to this guy from Winterfloods very recently interviewed and being very open as to how they operate.

just a coincidence that his name is Crooks (ahem), an hour in all but well worth the listen.

[superg1] 14/12/2019 09:20

"we are now actively working on 40 mainstream projects with our commercial partners"

a further 24 projects underway

Jeez.... no wonder the analysts started buying.

[1teepee] 14/12/2019 08:54

Stop drinking beer now and go to bed, pulling an all nighter is not good for you;)

[verger] 14/12/2019 08:53

I agree superg1. I have been an investor for a long time. I never use stop/loss points. I was reflecting on the recent share price action and the role of market makers in it. I totally agree with your observations.

[1teepee] 14/12/2019 08:53

That's why you use the limit function;)

[superg1] 14/12/2019 08:44

verger

I'm not sure of your market experience.

Market makers are what it says on the tin, they make a market, that's how they make money.

They are not allowed to drop the price randomly to take out a stop loss they might want to square their books. However I, like many others here, have seen dips seconds long stop loss position taken then back the normal, not one PI manages to get the price displayed = a Market maker live fraud.

So VRS news hit, VRS is an active share. MMs rub hands together, they drop the price taking out stop losses and margin calls to get some stock. PIs tried to buy yet getting anything on the lows was restricted to very few shares and a lucky few.

The MMs in the drop created a load of trades, aka money in their pocket on the enhanced number of shares being traded.

The reality is that event was the Mms making a market rather than being flooded with shares they didn't want.

A case of what Scrutable has warned about many times on shares like this.

If they get a sniff of genuine chance (they can read into it what they like) to move a price to create action, then they will.

It doesn't matter what price it is to them if they are not already holding 100's of 1000's of shares. Clearly none of them were and to create a supply they dropped the price on news.

Sure enough some got stopped out on lows, that's their choice on risk management, personal I never use them, for me it's just a flag in the ground for MMs to spot and take.

If anyone gets stopped out on a non guaranteed stock loss then it's because the MMs wanted the stock, if they were flush with shares and running way the stop can be ignored. Non guaranteed stops are pointless, if it is really bad genuine news and a sell off the stop won't trigger. If it's stock they want it will trigger, a win/win for the market.

[verger] 14/12/2019 08:18

As with all results it’s the narrative that goes with them that’s the important part. It’s all in the interpretation! NR made himself available to investors and Berenberg have made their presentations. We have had a chance to understand the details of the results. And the reaction? A massive rebound in the share price

[1teepee] 14/12/2019 08:08

Hi shorter scum

[1teepee] 14/12/2019 08:08

Seems a bit of a let down Must be products actually released,Versarien have much better stuff in the pipeline than that!

[superg1] 14/12/2019 07:29

Verger

The actual wording of the roadshow is as follows, It was on screens that us mortals can't. I have a screenshot of it,

Released 5th Dec

Versarien Non-Deal Roadshow Set By Berenberg for Dec. 12-13

That's the exact wording, non deal means not fund raising.