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[netcurtains] 04/11/2017 22:09

Out interest why do so many people post on this thread compared to nearly any other thread on ADVFN? What on earth is the point.

Get a life already.

You're helping no one at all. Its nearly all drivel.

[fhasson] 04/11/2017 22:05

LuckyorangeI have a honed my skills over the years for absorbing such moaners as a means of survival so unlikely to upset me too much

[the stigologist] 04/11/2017 22:02

of course the moaners were proved right

it didn't make sense that they 'couldn't announce anything because of NOMADs despite having 100s of customers/partnerships on the go'

and it was all proved when the Trading Update came out and we're told there are multiple engagements which all on their own were worthy of RNSes

[luckyorange] 04/11/2017 21:57

Good job you didn't look in a few weeks back fhasson, there was a plethora of moaning then :-)

[fhasson] 04/11/2017 21:54

FestarioLucky GPs there.It's not the same in the North of Ireland that's for sure ; the NHS a complete horlicks here.

[club sandwich] 04/11/2017 21:49

Fest, what's your average, if I might ask?

Mail me if you'd rather not say on here. Like the look of this a lot - but as you know, after the Paragon debacle I have hundreds rather than thousands to invest these days...

[fhasson] 04/11/2017 21:46

SpikeYour right but I am keen to observe and learn. Beats people moaning at me all day.

[festario] 04/11/2017 21:42

Clubbie, yes, heavily in here now. Introduced by SuperG, and averaged down in shedloads recently.The good Doctor Hasson, come and practice your vocation in N Wales, where respect for our GP's and the NHS generally is extremely high.

[spike_1] 04/11/2017 21:26

fhasson,
You are pygmy amoungst giants!

edit: that is as polite as I can get.

Best wishes - Mike

[club sandwich] 04/11/2017 21:21

hey Fest, you in this?

[festario] 04/11/2017 21:14

Your in depth research lasted for all of an hour and 20 minutes, ha ha....

[fhasson] 04/11/2017 21:06

My research indicates world leader by far but DYOR

[fhasson] 04/11/2017 20:36

Worthy puntReal potential in share price if aerospace industry bite more . Good start with IAI and hopefully will entice more in .Signicant manufacturing scaling up a requirement.Government backed funding.PR from our 2 atom thick Governmental hierarchy would help shift things faster too

[fhasson] 04/11/2017 19:47

Interesting that after 30 mins going live on Friday's Primary. Bid website money sorted for fundraiser . Have holdings in IQE and OXB which are future-proof investments IMHO Now tempted to further research into Nanene and Manchester Uni so as to decide if it is a world leader. Nobel prize winning Graphene guy must be involved somewhere which would sell it to me.

[luckyorange] 04/11/2017 19:31

I take this as a reference to the new x10 machinery

'We don't have to wait for the oven, we have the recipe, we've cooked the cake in the oven and tasted it already :)'

[luckyorange] 04/11/2017 19:27

from 17 minutes.

[shavian] 04/11/2017 17:54

I have noticed that several of our star posters here have holdings in both VRS and IQE, which in my view are by far the most exciting UK tech companies, and not just in their respective fields. There are many similarities between the quality of leadership and management in VRS with the earlier days of IQE, except that the glory days for VRS seem to be arriving after fewer years in the wilderness than IQE had to endure as they built the expertise to become the global leader in photonics wafers. Both firms are now on the threshold of global greatness and recognition; IQE because of its contribution to the iPhoneX ( but much more besides) and VRS because of its first major collaborative deal with IAI.

I'm proud that they are now my biggest (VRS) and 3rd biggest (IQE) holdings. Much, much more to come our way very soon.

[superg1] 04/11/2017 16:26

The key is VRS have graphene, knew there was a load of junk out there, knew they would have to prove it up to gain recognition and then to avoid tarring with the same brush called it Nanene to separate it from the junk called graphene out there.

It's all about a reliable brand and Nanene may well become that.

Rather than dance around making big claims from the off they put the work in to have the evidence to hand to back up claims.

So once the customers know Nanene works with links to the NGI and Cambridge they will also have confidence in VRS and their products RGO, GO, graphene ink, Boron Nitride and CVD graphene.

VRS have done it the right way around because you can't build a solid business on lies and deceit, at some point when the tide goes out you would be found out and dumped in the gutter.

Great products with a great team tends to equal success.

The evidence of that is IAI not only collaborating but allowing VRS to name them.

There will be many more big names to come Imo.

[phoenixs] 04/11/2017 16:14

Just about sums it all up Superg. VRS is the go to company when graphene, as recognised by ISO and NGA, is needed. That is worldwide not just the U.K. Or Europe.

[superg1] 04/11/2017 16:13

The intense research and reading what scientists say is why I followed VRS and out the hours in to see if their graphene met the standard.

The CEO will readily tell you that until they got it tested they did not know if it would work or not. They thought it would but until it's tried there was no guarantee.

They knew under 10 layer was not the only factor there are various factors. That's why it has been so difficult for many to even get to under 10 layer let alone get all the other characteristics right too.

It's been a long road trying to explain that and we have had a good smattering of idiots deliberately trying to mislead others on the topic.

My advice to anyone looking into graphene companies is to treat all claims as false BS until such point independent testing in products by recognised independent experts is verified. Not claims and comments it has been done, comments for the experts that tested it. EG UOM and NGI or other similar well recognised graphene experts.

As you can see form the NGI and NPL comments a number of companies have been had over buying graphene that doesn't work because it wasn't graphene.

Imo the fault there also lies with the purchaser. If they'd put the effort in I have then they would have known to steer clear of many 'graphenes' for sale out there.

[superg1] 04/11/2017 16:01

To back that up further the National Graphene institute and National Physical Laboratory have just released a codes of practise on the topic.

This is from them not me. It's what I've been reading about and investigating for some years.

I now hear that some in the US are teddy throwing as their graphene businesses are now no longer graphene businesses as they can't meet the standards. It's not about meeting a standard its about something that doesn't work v something that does so it's quite right that the fraudsters out there are now getting kicked in the teeth.

Anyway here is the NGI/NPL comment on the topic.

However, at the same time I also see that there are barriers to commercialisation that are impeding the progress of graphene-enabled products, which need to be overcome. One of these crucial barriers is answering the question “What is my material?”. I have heard many stories of companies trying to use graphene, to find what they have received is not really graphene at all. Similarly, we cannot develop innovative products when we do not know why different initial materials are leading to either positive or negative outcomes. Therefore, the actual material properties of the graphene supplied must be well-characterised. Furthermore, without a standardised way of measuring the properties of graphene that the whole industry can follow, end-users cannot reliably compare material data sheets for the numerous types of ‘graphene̵7; material that are now commercially available.

[superg1] 04/11/2017 15:55

Anley

There was a lot of time wasted on posts challenging others who kept going on about other graphene producers.

The response was in near all cases that it was not graphene and won't work. In other words many companies using the graphene hype to set up as a public company and mislead the market. Others private doing the same.

Like a nice piece of willow middling the red leather ball, that argument has been knocked out of the ground for 6. Many refused to listen even when a mass of science papers and expert opinion was provided.

In many cases for some posters it's simply been about trying to stir things up with lies and misinformation which unfortunately is typical on ADVFN and other such sites.

It puts investors off and worse they may end up buying into the hype junk companies.

The first point is the vast majority of companies claiming to produce graphene are not. It's simply multi-layer graphite, it won't work.

Then for those that can do under 10 layers some can't do bulk levels.

Then comes in other factors like defect ratios , folding, crumpling, edge defects, lateral sizes, purity and so on any of which can mean no matter that you have got under 10 layers it still may not work.

VRS have under 10 layers, they can scale up and bulk produce it BUT the key point is that it works.

The quicker investors put the effort in to understand that then the less likely they are going to back dud companies.

Then they will understand why so many big companies are talking to and doing deals with VRS

The above is why there are 25000 papers per year on graphene but just a handful of examples (mostly VRS) showing that their graphene works.

[superg1] 04/11/2017 15:24

Ax

The lightning strike part is to do with wing edges.

Currently they include copper mesh in the composites to conduct the electricity. That adds weight and cost.

It's been mentioned by a few in the sector.

Graphene composites in wings are way off obviously being a critical part but likely some day.

Don't forget with companies like IAI they do defence too and their is plenty about re graphene and armour.