Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[alchemy] 05/3/2019 08:13

I kind of needed 100p back for satisfactory safety . Happy bunny .

[lovat scout] 05/3/2019 08:06

Shorting any financial instrument is a hotly debated topic - a much larger(in value terms)though lower profile argument has been taking place for years over investors buying credit default swaps (debt insurance) when they don’t own the company’s underlying debt, which is similarly a bearish bet on a company’s future.

With AIM shares shorting rules investors have to be careful what they ask for. MMs provide liquidity and a part of that is the ability to short shares temporarily. Regulation and enforcement of any MM shorting rules should be very straightforward so just requires a threat of heavy fines from the FCA.

What is much more difficult is policing unregulated concerted shorting and ramping by groups of traders. This is where the regulators need to invest some time and resources to make examples of what amounts to creating disorderly markets. The VRS example in February is just one of several examples that could and should be investigated.

Not all shorting is bad as it exposes some very dubious companies and individuals too numerous to mention here but it’s not the going short that bothers me so much, it’s the methods employed to force share prices down that need a thorough investigation. Clearly any organised activity involving inside information is criminal and needs looking at further.

The main purpose of capital markets is to provide funding for businesses and the secondary markets act as a live validation of these companies’ activities. Anything that maliciously distorts these markets ultimately affects the economy in several ways and needs to be sat on heavily.

AIMHO etc.

[ellissj] 05/3/2019 07:57

Hyundai carbon fibre frame here pc from 2015. Best ellis

"Axontex™ frame wins top European prize with Hyundai."

12/02/2015

Axon Automotive are winners of the 2015 Jury Prize at the European Composites show JEC Paris. Hyundai have led the project with Korean manufacturers Hyosung and Lotte Chemicals collaborating with Axon to produce the Intrado crossover vehicle which is hydrogen powered. First seen at the Geneval motorshow in 2014 the Intrado’s all carbon fibre frame is the subject of the JEC prize. Axon’s Founder, Dr Steven Cousins says, “The combination of state of the art hydrogen powertrain and superlight all carbon fibre body structure make this vehicle a strong candidate for the world’s most advanced green car”.

The Intrado is powered by a hydrogen fuel-cell powertrain with a potent 36-kWh lithium-ion battery. Total range is roughly 370 miles on a single fill-up, from Hyundai’s advanced fuel cell system.

Hyundai claim that the new manufacturing and joining processes for the Intrado's lightweight carbon-fiber structure has "the potential to change the way cars are made." The automaker goes on to say that the Intrado's strong bones could accommodate body panels made from "any material," giving designers much more flexibility. Hyundai claim the Intrado has responsive and agile driving dynamics, thanks to its low weight and efficient powertrain.


Axon Automotive is proud to have worked with Hyundai's European Technical Centre to create the Axontex™ based all carbon fibre vehicle frame that has helped this vehicle become such a trail blazer."

[superg1] 05/3/2019 07:49

Tunghsu are working on graphene related batteries for vehicles.

It was said at GEIC that Gnanomat were working with 2 names on batteries but since the link up with VRS 2 has become 5.

A fair chance Tunghsu is one of them imo.

The one major I suspect Gnano are with is very vocal on the topic.

[ellissj] 05/3/2019 07:48

August collab wuzy. Best ellis

[wuzy] 05/3/2019 07:47

Ok, just found it,cheers

[wuzy] 05/3/2019 07:46

Hi Elliss when was that quote made,cheers

[ellissj] 05/3/2019 07:40

And comments of axia ceo here; best ellis

Commenting Justin Jin, CEO of AXIA, said: "As a composite materials development and manufacturing company our goal has been to develop multi-functional solutions which are integrated and embedded into our structural materials..."

"..with Nanene ensure rapid heat dissipation in integrated electric vehicle battery tray systems..."

"..We believe there will be many more opportunities to utilise Versarien's materials technology to bring game changing solutions to the market.  We are very excited to start working with Versarien."

[ellissj] 05/3/2019 07:36

Axia collab - battery tray, pc joe ? Best ellis

"Electric Vehicle applications - Versarien's Graphinks will be used to add smart systems to a composite electric vehicle battery tray and Versarien's Nanene will be used to improve the properties of the composite structure.  The battery tray is being developed with automotive battery system manufacturers for use by global automotive OEMs."

[pcjoe] 05/3/2019 07:32

Was in the Tesla Showroom in Edinburgh the other day - Two beautiful top of the range models on display - Incredibly heavy vehicles though- 3 Tonne plus if I remember right - Also on display was the stripped down Chassis - lovely piece of engineering - Pure aluminium throughout and featuring the large underseat well for storing the Titanium protected lithium batteries - Interesting to see where these vehicles will be in a few years time - Never see much on lightweighting batteries - Can graphene help there? - might be able to dispense with the Titanium as well - Wouldnt like to see a Lithium/Aluminium fire after an accident in one of these - Fairly spectacular though you might think

[superg1] 05/3/2019 07:32

Scrutable re the FCA

Just to show the guys here how bad it is. I will leave out names.

I hear staff of a certain nomad shorted stock on a company they were aware (their client) was about to fund raise.

Funnily enough names we see here and on other threads supposedly shorted it too.

So if true, it would be fair to say the same bunch have probably done it repeatedly.

Hence with the Haydale fiasco I have used that as a catalyst to try and pry the lid off a can of worms in the direction of the FCA.

I believe others have already made allegations.

As you can imagine it’s serious allegations with potential severe consequences for those involved.

Nice that they unwittingly put ‘things’ on various social media sites to link themselves to the crimes.

[ellissj] 05/3/2019 07:31

This auto lightwighting competition might be a good entry idea for polygrene imo ? Best ellis

'Automotive’s Only Award Dedicated to Vehicle Lightweighting.'

"The Altair Enlighten Award is intended to honor the greatest achievements in vehicle weight savings each year. It inspires interest from industry, engineering, policymakers, educators, students and the public, creates further competition for new ideas in the industry, and provides an incentive to share technological advances. The award offers nominees the chance to be recognized internationally as a leading figure in the effort to reduce vehicle weight and meet emissions targets. The 2019 Altair Enlighten Award will be presented at the CAR Management Briefing Seminars, Traverse City, Michigan, US on August 5th, 2019."

'Why Enter?'

"The Altair Enlighten Award highlights achievements in lightweight design across the automotive industry. With the award winners receiving press coverage around the world, it is an excellent opportunity to become recognized globally as a pioneer in lightweighting technologies and methodologies.

Achieve recognition in the press worldwide

The previous awards were covered by more than 350 publications and news outlets across the world. Publications included: Automotive News, The Auto Channel, TenLinks, PlasticsNews, Wards Automotive, Desktop Engineering, Today’s Motor Vehicles and many more."..

[forestfred] 05/3/2019 07:08

Just Signed
Worth posting on a few other boards is a plan
Ff

[ellissj] 05/3/2019 07:00

In this article, a 3D printed aluminium part weighs less than conventional plastic, and is stiffer. You'd think more expensive though ? I wonder if polygrene could shift the dynamics here; ie it is lighter, but as stiff as the aluminium alloy ? Possibly less expensive? Either way, in EV's lightweighting becomes key for extending battery range. Aimo. Best ellis

13th November 2018, Munich

'A million components for BMW.'(3D printed).

"...The window guide rail is the second 3D-printed component in the BMW i8 Roadster. The first was the fixture for the soft-top attachment, which is also produced at the centre in Munich. Made of aluminium alloy, the metal component weighs less than the injection-moulded plastic part that is normally used but is still considerably stiffer. Its importance has already been recognised with an Altair Enlighten Award in the category for Modules this year. The accolade honours lightweight innovations in the field of subsystems and components...."

[grabster] 05/3/2019 06:59

Posting on heavily populated threads, stock by stock, is worthwhile and effective - but it does also need a dedicated thread - with a title that says more than just 'Ban shorting - Petition' - it needs to clearly indicate that it's a formal government petition, in the title.

[hsdeo] 05/3/2019 06:34

DGDuncan - signed, it would be great to get it on every thread on aim somehow

[smallfry1] 05/3/2019 06:30

What a great post Scrutable
Very informative and thought provoking. .
Your Wisdom is priceless.
Thank you
John

[ellissj] 05/3/2019 05:48

Bravo. Straight to the heart of the matter scrutes. I would just add that in such a post brexit enviroment, say 5 years hence, they will be well positioned to harvest ALL of the profits from the 4th industrial revolution. Greed upon greed. A systers paradise. Best Ellis

[ironfist 1966] 05/3/2019 05:47

Signed. Hope this gains some traction. Really appreciate all the info posted here. I lurk,but read it all,am a LTH and committed to the cause,as I see the true scope of our fantastic potential. Lucky to have held since shares were 22p,but am willing the shares upwards to get everyone who is underwater,back afloat.Good luck all.

[freddievas] 05/3/2019 03:51

Signed. Mobilising more signatures.

[1teepee] 05/3/2019 03:01

You're up late. What you doing up at this ungodly hour

[scrutable] 05/3/2019 01:31

The petitition is a great idea whose time is come, though the number of active, private shareholders is almost certainly much lower than one thinks. The necessary numbers will be difficult to mobilise,

The banks have always shoveled private invesors towards funds and bonds to benefit The City.. That's more in the bank' interest than it is in ours but it would be wondrous if we could slow our many years of descent to banana republic level. The Brexiteers early actions after liberation from EU controls will be to undercut tariffs and International taxation, conceal the movement of dodgy capital, and imitate Singapore, Panama, Cyptus, Cayman islands etc in a race to the bottom. They will strongly support shorting.

The City loves the hedge funds, who do most of the shorting. Shorting adds volume, and the income that mms and brokers make out of the spreads generated by volatility and the dreadful, artificial spikes. They will defend shorting tenaciously though it constantly erodes PI's capital, and is therefore totally immoral. But when has morality ever determinded actions in The City?

That's one reason why Brexit has been so strongly supported by Established Wealth . The City hates the delegated rights of EU officials to thwart sculduggery. Look how much we have gained from EU discipline in food labelling. I will,tell you of the food scams I encountered in the industry before we joined the EU -,but that's for another day. The FCA is a window dressing farce and has allowed literally dozens of scoundrels to raise money on AIM, spend it and lose it without batting an eyelid, ,let alone penalising anyone, or taking action to learn from every perpetrated scam.