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[cheek212] 29/1/2019 11:50

Someone's buying 10k chunks today. Nice to see a bit of upward movement for a change!

[runthejoules] 29/1/2019 11:49

Grabster that is exactly what they do in germany right now. The bottles also thereby end up back at the specific store where that specific design is needed.

dgduncan recycling takes a lot of energy and is vey bad for the environment compared to reuse. I don't see why they can't just wash & reuse nanene-enhanced bottles - although obviously this would mean less profits for the plastic companies it would mean more for the supemarkets and save the earth, which is quite important for profits too... :-)

Anyone know where Andrew has gone?

Edit: agree with bisho4 completely!

[cheek212] 29/1/2019 11:49

Looks like he's gone back to his previous company from LinkedIn.

[festario] 29/1/2019 11:48

But... but... Andrew D was excited , and doing company presentations!?!?

[pshevlin] 29/1/2019 11:44

THAT is what I like to see. Significant buying today. Sumat's up.

[serratia] 29/1/2019 11:44

Re plastic bottles - to add to Mike's post.

As well as a significant reduction in the quantity of plastic used there are other benefits. When you blow mould a bottle you use heat to melt the plastic less plastic means less heat needed so you save on energy costs. Next Nanene is a good heat conductor so heat up cool down times will be shortened. I haven't tried to run any figures but if you can reduce the cycle time by say 20% you've just increased capacity by 20%. That's a free plant expansion saving capital costs/depreciation in a growing market scenario.

[bisho4] 29/1/2019 11:34

A +Nanene-enhanced plastic bottle would use less plastic and would be worth more in terms of a bottle-return deposit scheme. Give 10p per bottle returned at any major supermarket and you'll see less plastic waste in the bins and rivers. A win-win situation, which should be easier to implement.

[realcooltrader] 29/1/2019 11:31

Hi Fest, re. AD, yes according to LinkedIn:

[grabster] 29/1/2019 11:27

squire007 - many that are considering returning to bottle deposit schemes are keen for it not to be possible to do what we did as kids - namely take bottles we found back to shops and collect cash. They want it to be a lure; to get customers; so deposit will be as a discount against further purchases. Or, in some cases, straight cash refund might be offered, but tiny - vs bigger amount paid if shopping there. Feed bottles into machine on carpark which prints a voucher to spend in store.

[ellissj] 29/1/2019 11:24

Thx mikeb. It's a No brainer really :) best ellis

[davebowler] 29/1/2019 11:24

for non iPad users.

[robinhood69] 29/1/2019 11:16

AECOM Podcast 2hours ago.

[festario] 29/1/2019 11:14

What? Dr Andrew D has left VRS??

[wuzy] 29/1/2019 11:10

nice post mikebrenner :57699

[mikebrenner] 29/1/2019 10:59

Nanene in plastic bottles is not an environmental play in the way you describe ... yes less plastic will be used so the big companies can talk about less plastic waste, but the real thing is that high oil prices = high plastic costs which is typically one of their highest input costs ... if you can reduce this by 50% using nanene i'm listening hard as at the end of the day its nearly always about money Vs changing behaviour!

Secondly there is a big industry movement to stop using black plastic. Over 1.3 billion black CPET trays are used in packaging in the UK and, despite being technically fully recyclable, it is not currently possible to effectively sort them from other materials at a materials recovery or plastic recycling facility and so the trays often get sent to landfill or incineration. The reason for this is that the main pigment used to colour black plastic, carbon black, is not detectable by the near-infrared (NIR) optical sorting equipment, because it does not allow the light to pass through. Nanene / graphinks with its thermal properties and the fact its transparent seem an obvious additive to test and solve this problem.

On top of this for recycled plastics (as per luxus testing) nanene solves two other key gaps a) strength ... making them competitive with other plastic options b) impermeable - a big issue with recycled plastic and important for FMCG and food producers. I'm expecting that by using nanene they can also bring the costs more inline with normal plastics, so we could see major manufacturers shifting to more recycled plastics because of it (what unilevers 360 sustainability programme is trying to do).

[ellissj] 29/1/2019 10:58

Cheers dg. The steer from that new plastics grouping was about using less plastic products production. Patently, they would still wish to increase plastic sales, else that's turkeys voting for xmas ! I take it that +nanene could result in same strength bottles, but less plastic reqd ? And guessing that +nanene could enhance biodegradable plastics to compete with conventional ? Aimo. Atb ellis

[cheek212] 29/1/2019 10:39

It seems that the worlds largest annual human migration is now underway ahead of the Year of the Pig celebrations on the 5th Feb. Might not see any China news now until end of Feb, unless the chaps pull something out of the bag whilst they are on their current trip.

[dgduncan] 29/1/2019 10:32

Ellisj. Thanks for all your multitude of posting. They always make a great read.
I just wanted to add my thoughts on the +nanene bottles. The problem is that here are too many plastic bottles finding their way into the general environment. The returns scheme sounds like a winner and surely must result in a nationwide effort. If this is the case then I don't see the need for enhancing them as they are going back to be recycled and kept out of the environment - and the customer is paying for the cost of this. I don't think adding nanene would be justified in this application - unless I am missing something ?.

Cheers

DG

[ellissj] 29/1/2019 10:15

Thx rct. Best ellis

[ellissj] 29/1/2019 10:14

Personally would love +nanene bottles to be a winner. Various supermarkets are trialling plastic bottle returns schemes atm. No idea if vrs are being trialled. But generally 'less plastic' useage is one of the aims of the new plastics association grouping (as j recently posted). Would be a good fit to my mind. Cautiously optimistic here. Aimo. Best ellis

[realcooltrader] 29/1/2019 10:09

Andrew was Chief Technology Engineer, according to LinkedIn, and left in Oct 2018.

[realcooltrader] 29/1/2019 09:51

Replacing Will Battrick at long last :-) Seriously though, they've grown to a size when they probably need one.

[bootie64] 29/1/2019 09:46

I notice two vacancies on the Versarien website, no date but assume these vacancies are new

Chief Technology Officer
Location:

Cheltenham

/Manchester/Cambridge


Project Scientist
Location:

Cambridge