Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[landereo] 22/11/2018 20:31

hxxps://www.khl.com/international-construction/3d-printing-building-in-a-new-dimension/134669.article

I wonder how many of the 60 materials being tested come from a certain 2D material supplier?

[loglorry1] 22/11/2018 20:30

Mistake in my last post a cubic m if concrete is 2.5 tonnes so at $100 that means 1 tonne is about $40. That makes the economics of adding Nanene at $35000/KG even worse even at 0.05%.

I'm sure there are some high strength concretes which are more expensive but they'd have to be really really expensive to justify its use on economic grounds.

Unless of course Nanene sells inline with competing products at $80-200/kg

[serratia] 22/11/2018 20:00

Thanks for the questions but I filtered him some time back as nothing he said stood up to scrutiny. As you asked you'll find that 12000 psi concrete costs way more than standard 4000 psi material. In addition if you double the strength you can use half the concrete and there are at least 3 other benefits which need to be factored into the cost benefit equation.
Put all that together and there's a reason AECOM are interested.

Oh and I don't know if there was a typo in what you sent me or whether it's his maths -

costing 2/1000*$35,000 = $700

[tomduck] 22/11/2018 19:57

Magic beans this is the world we live in, social media gives a voice to nutters everywhere. You can choose not to listen to them or engage but really guys like Tim Kempster / Log Lorry only embarrass themselves and have little or no impact on a company that delivers in the end. If the conpany doesn’t deliver then the share price impact is down to that lack of delivery not a sad chap typing away incessantly on their keyboard

[diversification] 22/11/2018 19:55

My gut is telling me and the gut is strong for an RNS in the morning 😬

[wuzy] 22/11/2018 19:50

Harry now 36 likes

[superg1] 22/11/2018 19:38

I’m so far behind apologies if this has been posted as I don’t have time to read the 300-400 I’ve missed right now.

I saw a comment about VRS graphene prices. As said at the AGM the collaborations proceed with viability on cost thrown into the mix pre collaboration otherwise the collaborations are pointless.

China certification.

We learned yesterday that there are 1000’s of Chinese producers calling it graphene but it’s junk.
The way China works would be to produce nanene and create the demand for it. So if graphene valley/s unfold (seems nailed on) then typically the Chinese way is then to outlaw the junk
I hear they also demand that products are used or producers can lose their licence. That’s how China creates the demand. That was explained to me by someone with relevant experience.

To remind everyone, on the initial visit China are said to have estimated there would be a an internal market for over $200 billion worth of graphene.

[ad63] 22/11/2018 19:05

Inside the Foreign Office continues tonight - preparing for the post-Brexit world. Will be interesting to see if it embraces DIT's role?

[borg45] 22/11/2018 18:51

Can't believe you have only 24 likes for your great comments

[harrysol] 22/11/2018 18:46

Aecom - this potentially is our biggest collaboration to date. The quantities of graphene Aecom will need will be huge. VRS graphene is world leading. Neill Ricketts, CEO of Versarien, commented: "We are very pleased to have entered into this latest graphene application collaboration agreement, the first where our graphene will be incorporated into a large scale structure for use in construction. Should this collaboration progress as we hope the potential for Versarien is considerable, as the volumes of graphene that will be required are significantly larger than for many other applications given the scale of the structures being produced.

[loglorry1] 22/11/2018 18:42

Eh? If a manufacturer of plastic bags is buying PVC at $1.50/kg and selling his plastic bags at $3/kg after spending $1 on production costs (opex/capex etc) how can they justify adding 10g of Nanene (1% by weight) costing $350 and still make a profit even if it means they can use 20% less PVC?

The idea that Nanene can be sold at $35K/kg for these applications is absolutely silly.

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A bit of metal, wood, plastic or paper is very cheap. Make the metal into a panel for a car, the wood into a table, the plastic into a low weight strong panel with conductive properties and the paper into a book, and the value sky rockets. Again, a very silly post from a very silly man.

[harrysol] 22/11/2018 18:40

Versarien and AECOM, a US headquartered and Fortune 500 company, which is involved with multiple projects globally, will initially be working on a project involving the incorporation of Versarien's proprietary Nanene few layer graphene nano-platelets into large- scale polymer structures used in civil infrastructure projects, with a view to increasing their structural strength. Says it all.

[club sandwich] 22/11/2018 18:39

"All this talk of concrete, maybe an order from AECOM #RNS #wishfulthinking ?"

well they're meant to be lovely blokes, so maybe they'll drop a 50Kg order as a seasonal gesture of goodwill...

[66sequoia] 22/11/2018 18:25

All this talk of concrete, maybe an order from AECOM #RNS #wishfulthinking ?

[ellissj] 22/11/2018 18:23

Research by same 'spearhead consortium.' Best ellis

"Adding graphene girders to silicon electrodes could double the life of lithium batteries."

"New research led by WMG, at the University of Warwick has found an effective approach to replacing graphite in the anodes of lithium-ion batteries using silicon, by reinforcing the anode’s structure with graphene girders. This could more than double the life of rechargeable lithium-ion based batteries by greatly extending the operating lifetime of the electrode, and also increase the capacity delivered by those batteries.....

.....The WMG research team have already begun further work on this technological advance which will include further study and research as part of the graphene spearhead two year project led by Varta Micro-innovations, WMG at the University of Warwick is a partner along with Cambridge University, CIC, Lithops and IIT (Italian Institute of Technology). The main goal of that project is to advance in pre-industrial production of silicon/graphene composites and their subsequent processing into lithium-ion batteries for high-energy and high-power applications"

[ellissj] 22/11/2018 18:17

How graphene could improve mobile phones is worth a look on P31 imo. Best ellis

[harrysol] 22/11/2018 18:10

A bit of metal, wood, plastic or paper is very cheap. Make the metal into a panel for a car, the wood into a table, the plastic into a low weight strong panel with conductive properties and the paper into a book, and the value sky rockets. Again, a very silly post from a very silly man.

[ellissj] 22/11/2018 18:05

Spearhead you say ? Cambridge graphene centre ? Batteries ? Could be ? Aimo. Best ellis.

"Vacancy Type/Job category
Research Only
Department
WMG
Salary
£29,799 - £38,833 per annum
Location
University of Warwick, Coventry
Vacancy Overview
Fixed Term Position until 31 December 2019
This exciting Graphene Flagship Project is a *spearhead * research area directed by Varta Batteries and based within the Energy Innovation Centre at WMG, Warwick University. The project focuses on developing anodes for Li-ion batteries based on silicon and graphene and was devised in response to a continuum of growing energy needs with power and capacity. The goal is to develop a reliable technology for the pre-industrial production of Si/graphene based LIBs and will develop cell formats targeted towards wireless applications. This will span cell formats from coin to pouch size and will generate prototype cells to bring new competences to Li-ion manufacturing.
WMG’s research and scale-up facilities are ideally placed to meet the requirements of this ambitious project and will be supported by a consortium of European partners – the University of Cambridge (Chemistry Dept and The Graphene Centre), the Italian Institute of Technology, CIC and LITHOPS. In particular, this appointment is funded by a European Union Horizon 2020 research and innovation project “Graphene FPA” under Grant Agreement Number 649953 and will be subject to the continuation of the availability of funding and the project."

[dickiebird2] 22/11/2018 17:57

One good order before Xmas is the best gift we all could want !!

[runthejoules] 22/11/2018 17:40

'How has the audacity to think that Neill is his peer and should respond to his demands is beyond me.'

Maybe it's because Neill keeps responding to his demands? Just a thought.

[luckyorange] 22/11/2018 17:34

Too easy, someone doesn't know when they are being wound up even, love it 🤣

[taurusthebear] 22/11/2018 17:27

anley - filtered. :0)

[loglorry1] 22/11/2018 17:25

BTW different types of plastic sell for around $2/kg. Adding 1% Nanene will require 10g per kg at $35,000/kg that's $350 worth.

That makes your plastic go up from $2 to $352 per kg.

Alternatively use PureGraph or xGnP or a NanoXplore product at about $1 extra per kg.

[loglorry1] 22/11/2018 17:21

Hold on a moment if Exeter Uni say all you need to do is wizz up some graphite in a blender and stick it in then why would anyone pay $35,000/kg for Nanene to do the job?

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It’s not expensive because the process is very simple. It is basically similar to a kitchen blender where you put graphite, water and soap molecules and you produce graphene,” she added.'