Uk Oil & Gas Share Discussion Threads

[nocrap] 17/12/2017 15:46

to add a different point of view,

johncb a poster on II stated that forums are for both sides of the debate, if it was only bulls it would be biased.

also when a rns comes out, start from the end of it, do what buffett does with any company spiel, the bad points will be hidden at the end of any publication.!!

look out for misleading words like, reassess, challeging, difficult, etc.

johncb, you dont seem to get it, do you,
if you did get it, you would say, yes perhaps, its not a great risk reward stock, yes stevie never bought shares in the open market the same as you did, yes perhaps, aim is full or manipulation, yes, dilution is a major problem, yes funding from bucket shops shows poor mangement,
yes, no institutes wants to get involves with ukog, yes, its only held by overexcited, amatuers that like to be liked of public chatrooms.

if you deny that you shouldnt be invested here imo.

[nocrap] 17/12/2017 15:16

dgunn22, you do realise that marky5858, is lse biggest ramper on lse.imo

he is on the website 24/7 and doesnt not even listen to others views, he simply gives immature wise cracks with laughter in his posts.

he is simply looking to be popular, imo.

being popular on a chatrooom does not convert into a stock being longterm successfull.

it may relate to you having lots of virtual backslapping invisible online friends.

motto,is , take any bull that constantly hypes a stock for their own likeabilty with a mega huge pich of salt IMO.

the same goes for anyone ramping a stock, why, in laymans terms, they bought the stock at an early low price and need to create demand to raise its price,( that is a basic principal in all posts, publications, blogs of any stocks, such as that at the end the writer has to legally state if they hold a position in that said stock)

the same goes for any broker targets as they are not unbiased and earn a commision to state targets from the said stock.

rememeber a broker states price targets,( which can cause a large sell off at that price target, hence a false defeating prophecy) but doesnt analyse the quality of a business,its threats and weakenesses, its management etc, only a securites analysts can do that imo.

[nocrap] 17/12/2017 15:02

put it like this very few clever investors own story stocks, they own growing stocks with earnings!!imo.

story stocks are simply stories, most fund managers put no value to pie in the sky story stocks, imo.

in the words of a great investor, nevr buy a stock that has risen sharply , nor sell a stocks that has fallen sharply.

some may say that relates to ukog, but it doesnt as ukog rose and fell on sentiement, NOT on earnings.

but find a stock that fell for no aparant genuine reason, if its earnings are still solid and youre onto a winner.imo.

i feel that relates to stocks like sirius minerals too, a high hope story stock. in 5 yrs it is virtually the same price!!!

another important thing to recall is if a stock is volatile in the past it will prob be volatile in the future. imo.

we should note that buffett only owns low beta stocks that are undervalued with leverage,

why, cos high hope story stocks are driven far too high only to collapse. as we have seen here.

low beta stocks dont have huge sell offs, if you can generate say 15% a year on a low beta great earnings stocks with some leverage , that can take it to 20% ,you're on to another winner imo, investment trusts can leverage, common mutual funds cant.

tracker funds cant leverage either.

[nocrap] 17/12/2017 14:51

agreed if the ftse100 has an expected return of 8% on average then it will be slower value, at the end, but if you have the skill to pick undervalued growing stocks with great earnings growth, then go for it i say.

as the ftse 100 is full of good and bad growers!!

but only say 5% of trust or fund managers can generate 20% returns yearly, eg buffett lynch, soros,

and even they know it is unrealist for a company to growth 25% for 10 yr plus, hence the need to change stocks every say 5 yrs.
due to the laws of large numbers in capital caps.

[nicebut] 17/12/2017 14:25

Which is more or less what I do/did...Except I retired at 48..

[nocrap] 17/12/2017 14:25

or if you dont have that size of capital to invest in at 18, maybe you will via an inheritance or windfall or even savings at say aged 30 still retire nicely at 50 to55 . imo.

[nocrap] 17/12/2017 14:21

leave it for 20 years you have £11 million, 25 yrs, £33 million.

start investing in undervalued profitable stocks at 18 retire at 38, live of compound interest growth and collection of dividends.!!

IMO

[nocrap] 17/12/2017 14:17

if you want to know why a compound reinvesting investor will make more money longterm over a trader, is all about reinvesting growth and not topslicing and banking profits and having too many holdings.

a trader will normally allocate 1% in say 100 diff stocks, some loss, some even, some gain, so he just makes say 20-30% a year. less the cost of the trade and importantly the SPREAD PRICE costs!! but he pulls out that 20%? and banks it.for fear of losing it. banking it in cash.

a longterm investor doesnt do that he carefully buys stocks that are increasing revenue say 20-30% a year which translate into 20% to 30% share growth,yearly compounding.

he owns say a concentrated portfolio of quality companies with EARNINGS per share that justify the growth and overall constantly increase the share price, not shortterm pump and dump.

he doesnt take out profits and bank them or topslice, no large spread costs or trading fees, as he knows these are sound profitable companies.!!

this allows him to compound his wealth, eg a modest starting £100000 investment left over 15 yrs at 25% growth would result in £2.9 million in highly liquid stocks that can be cashed in slowly in retirement without the need for pump and dump or market timing in which week or day or even hour ,he can get the hell out of a lobsterpot !!

but he is more than likely going to add say £5000 a year to his pot every year in that 15 year period, if he does this the total value would end up as £3.5 million

all imo !!!!!

[nocrap] 17/12/2017 13:42

"ElCapital really is the most disliked poster on advfn can imagine even his boyfriend doesn't like him" !!

why do folk write such nonsense, do you ever read any of buffetts letters to shareholders, he would be laughed out of the general meeting if he said one of our bear posters is the most unpopular poster on a uk chatroom.

his investors would say what the hell as it got to do with our returns on equity.

grow up, shut up, start analysing stocks, stop commenting about popularity of posters.

if you feel the need to mention a poster it is because they may have broken the law, in your opinion,in their pots ,not because they are the chatroom buddyboy, thats why i mentioned moneymunch, as i have sound reasons for mentioning him.

[nocrap] 17/12/2017 13:34

all of the above is in my own opinion !!!

my name isnt moneymunch, and i dont break the law by stating its advice unlike what he does !!!!!

[nicebut] 17/12/2017 13:33

Really? I take huge enjoyment spotting ponzi schemes and over hyped stocks- and getting it right...c8p down to 3.5p think I got this one right too, don`t you?
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[nocrap] 17/12/2017 13:32

what i do is own say 80% of my capital in mid to large undervalued prosperous stocks all over the world.

the other 20% is split into say 20 stocks , 1% each , all with a risk reward chance of a 100 bagger.
if it isnt hugely scaleable, has a product selling price the company can set (not a commodity as these stocks can compete against inflation, nor can they set the price, it is governend by world market commodity price)

i dont buy it, it isnt worth it, there are 30000 listed stocks out there and many more unlsited private equity ones.

the world isnt just 5 stocks on LSE most chatted stocks. the reason they are there is because amatuers cant research beyond chatrooms about stocks or use website like proactive investors and motley fool.

switch these sites of, start researching harder, much harder.

it you cant dedicate everyday many hours, then dont stock pick and buy the best fund or trust you can find with managers that have skin in the game.
only a few funds,trusts have managers that bought stock the same as you in the open market, that is trust in their own cooking.

as buffett would say.

if we dont own it oursleves , we dont trust our own convictions !!!!

eg has stevie bought shares in the open market just like you did.

if he didnt pay the same price as you or he gots his options/ shares for free that is prob the biggest RED FLAG in this stock imo.

[nocrap] 17/12/2017 13:17

in the words of fund manager peter lynch, dont invest in 0-25 stocks,

those who understand this term will know.

those who dont, it means no matter how hard you try if it dont work give up and if you are going for risk reward and its a story stock,like ukog , you need a 100 bagger or its not worth going for it.

eg wall mart was a 100 bagger.

that was a good reward based on risk.

hence in order for ukog to be a good risk it needs to go to a share price of say £3.40 or you will lose 90% of your money here imo.

which is frankly pie in the sky.

imo if you want mega huge high risk returns own a biotech stock with a drug that will be sold in the £billions.

even jeff bezos says its worth a 100 times increase if it means a 10% chance of success.

ukog chances are prob around the same 10% imo, but there will obviously not be a 100 bagger from here.

even bulls and analysts estimate a 12p share if it flows at above 1500 barrels per day, and that was before the dilution lately.so now a lower figure must be reassessed.


so it isnt a 100 bagger reward from here.

there are many story stocks out there that can be 100 baggers from todays current values of them.

sadly ukog isnt one of them imo.

[4691jack] 17/12/2017 12:29

Recent quote: "ElCapital really is the most disliked poster on advfn can imagine even his boyfriend doesn't like him" !! While not exactly a fan of ElCap, there is one other who beats him hollow, The Clown, aka MonkeyNuts, aka mm !! The biggest fraudster on this bb, he lies all the time. Depending on Long or Short, pi's will ramp or de-ramp. But this Clown is Fraud incarnate! Of recent his lies have been showing, hence the low profile. I know I have been filtered by many on here, because the TRUTH HURTS !

[rayrac] 17/12/2017 12:01

Yes thanks, cold seems to be improving 25! Now for Monday. Just off out to pickup f range eggs. :)

Life’s just one big adventure....

[niceyman1] 17/12/2017 09:44

Imagine they would be flowtesting over an extended period not stopping for weekend?

[25wbh] 17/12/2017 09:34

Morning Rayrac,hope cold is getting better

[rayrac] 17/12/2017 08:55

Good morning 25 and all...lot going on at bb...but what? Haven’t heard a thing yet!

[25wbh] 17/12/2017 08:46

Good morning all

[j0ck ewing] 17/12/2017 08:00

Gismo, did you just admit to Mark crispy that you are German and have a big tadger?

[niceyman1] 17/12/2017 07:40

Ukog thread or Malta? So much has been going on down at Bb and yet Malta is being discussed in great depth!