Tullow Oil Share Discussion Threads

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 13:12

Banks were the classic.. no shorting. Buy buy buy.

Yet the tax payer had to pay a massive bill.

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 13:10

I see your point from outside markets.

But this is markets. Different environment

Tell me, how many institutions in the city buy stock with money THEY actually own?

[turvart] 01/2/2020 13:05

You will never see my point SR so it goes back to your Ryan off Emmerdale!

[turvart] 01/2/2020 13:03

With CFD's SR people have the ability to sell stocks they don't own! that's like me putting up an advert on Gumtree to sell my BMW M5 that I don't actually have and then saying well someone in Manchester has one so take that one!

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 12:58

Never use CFDs anyway. Cost more to finance normally

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 12:58

But let's be clear

When I buy physical stock to hold, for me, it's still only a bet really on price movement.

I class share certificates the same as a bookie slip

Speculative bet

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 12:57

Agree. You have to beat the brokers in spread. However that's not hard looool

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 12:51

However when shorting something you don't own, your own money must still cover it via margin

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 12:50

Ever use a credit card? That's other people's savings money you buy with etc

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 12:49

If we take this moral literally, the world would cease to function

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 12:47

If not. Is it wrong to move until 20 or 25 year mortgage paid?

Because you are selling something you don't own

It's immoral ?

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 12:45

When you bought a house, if a normal person when starting out in life, you had a mortgage.

Did you sell it and move before the mortgage was paid in full on first house?

[turvart] 01/2/2020 12:43

SR, yes I see you point, but you don't seem to understand my point, you can't sell anything if you don't own it in the first place.

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 12:40

Sure but il still pay the price when wrong. Pay at one end of the deal

[turvart] 01/2/2020 12:38

SR, What I'm trying to get through to you is the fact that shorting is actually Immoral because you are selling something that you didn't own in the first place.

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 12:38

Ie it's typically a bet on bull sentiment. Bullish or pessimistic

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 12:37

Anyway I'm not a shorter technically. I just take a short position via futures. My short is meaningless to market as most are

I bet on what will occur in stock movement. most that short don't actually affect that movement

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 12:34

It can't be risk free or, risk only 1% on position from commencement

But let's get something right here. 95% of most things fall due to pessimistic bulls

Take the ftse 350.

How many stocks lost 10-30% last year with shorters involved?

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 12:32

Well the shorters get burnt normally when they are wrong. Rarely an injustice lasts

But so do buyers

[turvart] 01/2/2020 12:31

Let me ask you a question SR? if your house was put onto the stock market and it was made public that SR's house was the new IPO, then after it was listed after many investors paid money into your house, you then have these conditions that some people that don't like you have the ability to take a short out on your house and you have no say in the matter because you have listed your house on the stock market?

You then become Homeless because of the shorters that didn't like your house.

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 12:25

In a way you are shorting the market. You just clear it with your mind through buying something

[sentimentrules] 01/2/2020 12:23

Everyone has their way. But you are still taking advantage of misery through bonds. You can't escape that fact

I'm not buying to hold again until repo finishes tanking (max the chart)



and official recessions are declared

[turvart] 01/2/2020 12:20

A lot of shares are going to get dumped next week SR, fortunately for me I'm not a shorter because my religion is dead against shorting, but instead I counter the stock market with buying bonds.