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[jugears] 17/10/2019 14:35

Woodhawk I think you would find that now there would be a bigger majority for leave, most off my friends that were remain are now leavers.

[1carus] 17/10/2019 14:15

You have to have some jeopardy to focus the mind. It's taken a while but the threat of no deal has led to concessions from the EU. After 3 years this probably now is the only and best deal we will be offered. Parliament must make a decision. It is what they are voted there and paid to do. If it is rejected, primarily by remain at all cost mps, they need to understand that it is either leave with no deal or if they force another vote it should be remain or no deal leave. It puts the stakes high in both camps and should focus the mind to maybe just take the money off the table now.

[woodhawk] 17/10/2019 14:14

Now that *some* Leavers are aware of the Yellowhammer warnings, the baseless lies of the Leave campaign (NHS, 'easiest deal ever', queuing up for trade deals, etc, etc) and the complete lack of any detail of any supposed advantages, I hope 'Remain' would have it. I also believe that a lot of non-voters (remember almost 3/4 of the population DIDN'T vote to 'Leave'), now aware of the pitfalls, would also now turn out for 'Remain'.

[m4rtinu] 17/10/2019 13:43

Corbyn is standing up for what he views as a possible deterioration of workers' rights under a Boris deal. That is his job surely. It is difficult for Labour, as they are seen as trying to block any deal. So Labour always seen as being negative.

In the referendum, there was a choice between:

Remain, the status quo, so conditions fully known; and,
Leave, a leap into the dark, which meant different things to different people.

Now that there is an outline of what leaving means, there is a clearer choice, between a known set of circumstances (Remain) and a now known outline for a plan (Leave). To me it seems fair to put that to a vote. Whether everyone (anyone!) would read the detail of the plan to leave would be a different matter. And even having read it, whether they would understand it. I have to be honest and say I wouldn't fully understand detail.

Given the entrenched views, it is quite possible Leave (with a deal) would win. Remember it was 52% v 48%, not 52% v 0%.

[heliweli] 17/10/2019 13:28

A visit to 160 on the cards again.

[woodhawk] 17/10/2019 13:06

Sounds like it's a far worse deal than May's trice-rejected screed.

[martyn9] 17/10/2019 12:40

I think the markets uncertain as to whether it get's sorted out too.

[jugears] 17/10/2019 12:11

It will never get sorted then

[gbh2] 17/10/2019 11:54

The Dullard Corbyn, wants the people to vote on it.

[martyn9] 17/10/2019 11:13

It's if BJ can get it passed through parliament with the dup against it(at the momement)

[gbh2] 17/10/2019 11:10

Deal done - according to the media :)

[jugears] 17/10/2019 10:55

If I was Boris I would say you have had three years ,you've had you chance! if you can't decide now were leaving without a deal which in my opinion is the best thing & allows time for proper more acceptable deals to be done individually tailored to the different needs, I am a firm believer that industry should be sorting there own deals & not a bunch of MP's, at the end off the day I am sure nothing much will change we will still buy & sell the same products & be able to sell to a wider market. I am sure I will open up a can off worms here but I can't understand why Ireland can not be treated as one country I know its all part of history but for gods sake you have got to move with the times, you are one island your not separated by the the sea. IMO you have to be either part of Europe as a whole or part of the Uk as a whole & not 2 separate identities, I also don't think that you will ever get northern & southern Island to agree on anything & very unlikely to get any remainer Mp's to agree on a deal out of principal no matter how good it is. For the sake of the countries future Stick to your guns Boris & leave come what may on the 31st October deal or not , we voted leave so lets just get on with it, Know one know's for sure what will happen when we do leave & prolonging it won't make any difference, but I would like to bet that within in weeks of leaving people will be out spending money again irrespective of if we get a deal or not, Although my company is really busy we have several none housing contracts on hold & its not that they won't be going ahead its just that people/ companies are holding off until we leave the EU. I intend to buy new machinery & company vans but have put off the purchases until after we leave the Eu, it's not that I think I may not need them because I know I will & will still go a head what ever deal we get, but have just decided to wait until we actually leave & I know I am not alone in my decision making, I also think that when we are able to trade with a wider market this could make goods coming in to the Uk from Europe more competitave so maybe waiting to make my purchases won't be a bad think.

[martyn9] 17/10/2019 10:48

Deal or no deal,clear as mud with the dup still apparently unhappy with whatever has been put on the table!!!

[pally12] 17/10/2019 10:10

There will be no negotiations between the UK and the EU today. So where does that leave the chances of a deal being struck this month

[marksp2011] 16/10/2019 13:57

I don't think the sector wants to grow. Happy to tread water and throw off cash. Growth is risk and investment. Not the right time for thst

[jugears] 16/10/2019 11:33

gbh2- I don't think we will see many figures impressing at the moment, better to be holding there own than not imo.

[gbh2] 16/10/2019 11:25

G'morning Jugears, the figures may look a little better after my lunchtime pint but they're just holding their own and do not impress imo :)

[jugears] 16/10/2019 11:15

WFL1970 Still the w----r I see

[wfl1970] 16/10/2019 10:44

Fascinating...

[jugears] 16/10/2019 08:55

When we leave

[wfl1970] 16/10/2019 08:36

Jug, would you please 'define' - 'when Brexit is sorted out' as you put it..?

[jugears] 16/10/2019 08:28

Gbh2,Considering the uncertainty over brexit I thing Bdev results are very good & holding up exceptionally well considering, this to me reafirms the potential when brexit is sorted out.

[m4rtinu] 16/10/2019 08:13

Nervous market.

[baracuda2] 16/10/2019 08:12

Business as usual