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SUP Supreme Plc

169.00
0.50 (0.30%)
13 Dec 2024 - Closed
Delayed by 15 minutes
Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Supreme Plc LSE:SUP London Ordinary Share GB00BDT89C08 ORD 10P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  0.50 0.30% 169.00 25,307 16:35:16
Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price
167.00 170.00 170.00 168.50 168.50
Industry Sector Turnover Profit EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap
Household Appliance Stores 221.25M 22.43M 0.1923 8.76 196.49M
Last Trade Time Trade Type Trade Size Trade Price Currency
16:35:16 UT 1,193 169.00 GBX

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16:35:16169.001,1932,016.17UT
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Posted at 13/12/2024 08:20 by Supreme Daily Update
Supreme Plc is listed in the Household Appliance Stores sector of the London Stock Exchange with ticker SUP. The last closing price for Supreme was 168.50p.
Supreme currently has 116,611,033 shares in issue. The market capitalisation of Supreme is £196,489,591.
Supreme has a price to earnings ratio (PE ratio) of 8.76.
This morning SUP shares opened at 168.50p
Posted at 02/12/2024 08:19 by ggplyr
So its a trade and assets purchase, 7.5m in stocks and trade receivables, the good bit of working capital.

The other 2.7 presumably brand/goodwill.
RNS says they did 20m revenue.
supreme think they can do 30% gross profit i.e. 6.7m
Distribution costs in Typhoo tea's accounts were 2.3m
Admin expenses were 6.2, lets assume supreme strip this down to 1m (wild guess on my part)
assume very little admin costs if they are getting absorbed in current Oh base.
tax at 25%
PAT = 2.5m

Investment so far 10.2m
Payback period 4 years
Return on investment 25%.

Looks pretty good on paper.

Risks - declining market share- current year 20m revenue, prior year 25, year before 34m.
Opportunities - typhoo ice tea?

The news articles all read typhoo tea "saved" / "rescued"- and they reference the 100 odd employees, but from the RNS supreme arent keeping these employees.
Posted at 26/11/2024 11:09 by ggplyr
Yes they went up in october, not all shops passed them price rise on immediately, but supreme had increased their prices to retailers from october (i questioned this through investor relations when i still saw them retailing for £1 at the end of October)

Sandy thought there would be zero impact on volume following the price rise. I'm not sure i can make the investor presentation today, so if anyone could ask the question
"has the 10ml liquid price increase to £1.20 impacted sales volume from the EPOS data you have access to, and how much of the 20 pence is Supreme retaining as gross profit"
that would be greatly appreciated.

This will feed through to GP in the second half. I dont know if retailers knowing the rise was coming ordered additional stock before it did. Lets hope not, otherwise this half just reported would have inflated sales.
Posted at 26/11/2024 07:22 by edmonda
Interim Results: "margin improvement and FY25 outlook raised" - new research report freely accessible here:

For the six months to 30 September 2024, Supreme reported healthy revenue growth of +8%YoY (£113m) based on both ongoing business and the acquisition of Clearly Drinks Ltd., with (adj.) EBITDA +22%YoY at £18.5m, underpinned by gross margin improvement +299bp to 29.6%. The (adj.) EBITDA margin was 16.3%, compared to 14.5% a year earlier. The improvement in profitability underlines Supreme’s breadth of market position and depth of expertise in the distribution of a wide range of household goods. The Group notes a strong start to H2 and has issued raised FY 25 (adj.) EBITDA guidance of “at least £40 million”.

With our FY25 guidance raised from £37.0m (adj.) EBITDA to £40.0m, our FY26 outlook remains unchanged, principally reflecting the full impact of the ban on disposable vapes. Our Fair Value remains 225p/share.
Posted at 31/10/2024 14:25 by ggplyr
Impact of Tax on Vaping Demand
Current Costs
• 88Vape Liquid: A user consumes 3 bottles (10ml each) per week, costing £3.60 (at £1.20 per bottle).
• Smoking: An average smoker consuming 10 cigarettes a day spends about £55 per week. The cheapest brand in Tesco costs around £41.13 per week.
• Rolling Tobacco: Costs about 65% of the price of cigarettes, equating to £36 per week.
• 88Nic Pouches: £2.50 for 20 pouches, with moderate users consuming 3-6 pouches a day, costing between £2.62 and £5.25 per week.
Projected Costs in October 2026
• Vaping: £11.52 per week.
• Smoking: £60 per week.
• Rolling Tobacco: £39 per week.
• 88Nic Pouches: Remains between £2.62 and £5.25 per week.
Analysis
• Vaping Costs: Despite the price increase, vaping remains cheaper than smoking. Other brands might cost £15-£17 per week, still significantly less than smoking.
• Market Dynamics: Users may seek cheaper alternatives, potentially increasing 88Vape’s market share. Some users might switch to pouches being the cheapest, though they may not be as effective as vapes in mimicking the smoking experience.
• Price Sensitivity: The significant price increase from £1.20 to £3.84 per bottle might lead some vapers to consider quitting or switching back to smoking. Even more so for more expensive liquid brand could be in the region of £5.50/ 10ml. This isn’t far off the price of a cheap 10 pack of cigarettes which may have a psychological pull.
• Comparative Taxation: The UK’s vape tax is moderate compared to other countries. For example, Germany taxes e-liquids at €2 per 10ml, rising to €3.20 per 10ml by 2026. However, UK cigarette prices are among the highest in Europe, more than double that in Italy and Germany, making the vape tax relatively lower in proportion. Check out this: hxxps://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings?itemId=17
Posted at 30/10/2024 14:58 by ggplyr
The tax is 2.20 per 10ml. If a pod has 2ml then the tax will be 44p.
Bottled liquid will will still be the cheapest way to vape per puff.

The price of 10ml is now £1.20 for info. Its that price in b&m and Iceland and will be in all shops soon. (It's up the the retailers when they increase the price but supreme are have increased the price to retailers already)
Posted at 25/10/2024 08:33 by gb904150
The thing is, the disposable ban has been signalled for a long time.

SUP have prepared for it.

The likely outcome imo is that the 'disposable' companies (e.g. lost mary) will adapt products so that they are no longer considered disposable.

They will continue to be sold but there will be a loophole. Once the rules are explicit they'll adapt within months.

SUP's exposure to that is merely as a reseller.

Their core 88vape brand is already non disposable. It could see some vapers switch across.

I don't think the disposable 'ban' will result in any less vaping. Just a bit of a market shift across to different products.

Non-disposables are cheaper.

Disposables are more convenient but wasteful.

There will be hybrids of the two.

I wonder if SUP will modify 88vape to target the younger crowd that have to switch from disposables? It's a difficult line to tread if they choose to target younger vapers though.
Posted at 24/10/2024 11:44 by actscap
Surprised ban not fully priced in. Slightly earlier Implementation date impacting share price perhaps?
Posted at 29/4/2024 11:36 by carcosa
Aishah,

Several academic studies have found a positive correlation specifically between founder ownership and equity returns or operating performance metrics for smaller public companies across various markets. The effect tends to be more pronounced for small versus large caps.

Founders with large shareholders are statistically better as investments because companies where founders retain a significant ownership stake tend to have better share price performance on average. This is because founders' interests are more aligned with outside shareholders when they have "skin in the game."

Founders with large equity stakes tend to take a longer-term view in decision making versus professional managers. This can benefit share prices over multi-year periods.

For relatively small market capitalisation companies, the correlation between high founder ownership and better share price performance seems to be stronger based on available research.

For example:
Posted at 04/3/2024 12:15 by gb904150
JohnDoe23 - you are calling this right.

I've added a few more.

It seems there is a familiar pattern.

SUP announces great results, trading volumes, profits, buybacks etc. share price adds 30%.
Government threatens legislation, taxes, complication. share price loses 30%.

The point is regulation, taxes and govt complication favours big players like SUP who can respond, comply and consolidate by buying up the weaker players. SUP have already done that.

Tax on vapes isn't going to lead to any less vaping until taxes hit a critical point where vapes are no longer be affordable. What was that price point for a pack of cigarettes? £8? £10

But vaping is starting out such a low cost it will have zero effect.

Sell price on 10ml 88vape liquid - £1.


What do we think cost price is on that? 30p? So 88vape make 70p.

If the govt makes it so there is 50% tax. The new RRP is £2.

The govt now makes £1.
88vape (SUP) will still be making their 70p.

It is the consumer who will pay the tax. Not vape manufacturers.

I doubt the tax will be as hefty as that to start with.



Here they suggest an extra £1.40 tax on a £4 bottle of 10ml liquid. For an extra £72 or so cost for the year.

Compared to cigarettes vapes are so cheap so i think the impact is minimal and it's all for show.

I think around 85% of cigarette price is tax. Back in 2015 it was 83% according to this:




hxxps://news.sky.com/story/spring-budget-2024-what-to-expect-from-tax-cuts-to-vaping-duty-13081493


Vape duty

The same report said Mr Hunt is considering a "vaping products levy" which would be paid on imports and by manufacturers of vapes in an attempt to make the habit unaffordable for children.

The tax will be specifically on the liquid in vapes, with higher duties for products with more nicotine. However, to ensure vaping remains a cheaper alternative to smoking, there will also be a one-off increase in tobacco duty, with the two measures expected to raise £500m by 2028/2029, the report said.

Downing Street confirmed to Sky News that the levy is being considered "as an option".
Posted at 14/2/2024 14:50 by adamb1978
Always very hard / impossible to link buyback to share price performance, partly because volumes arent that material and partly because there are 1000 other factors driving a share price

However if you look at TIG, their buyback is 10% of market cap and the share price has moved up in a market which has been soft
Supreme share price data is direct from the London Stock Exchange

Supreme Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

What is the current Supreme share price?
The current share price of Supreme is 169p.
How many Supreme shares are in issue?
Supreme has 116,611,033 shares in issue.
What is the market cap of Supreme?
The market capitalisation of Supreme is GBP 196.49 M.
What is the 1 year trading range for Supreme share price?
Supreme has traded in the range of 87.50p to 209.00p during the past year.
What is the PE ratio of Supreme?
The price to earnings ratio of Supreme is 8.76.
What is the cash to sales ratio of Supreme?
The cash to sales ratio of Supreme is 0.89.
What is the reporting currency for Supreme?
Supreme reports financial results in GBP.
What is the latest annual turnover for Supreme?
The latest annual turnover of Supreme is GBP 221.25M.
What is the latest annual profit for Supreme?
The latest annual profit of Supreme is GBP 22.43M.
What is the registered address of Supreme?
The registered address for Supreme is 4 BEACON ROAD, TRAFFORD PARK, MANCHESTER, M17 1AF.
What is the Supreme website address?
The website address for Supreme is www.supreme.co.uk.
Which industry sector does Supreme operate in?
Supreme operates in the HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCE STORES sector.

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