Strat Aero Share Discussion Threads

[pottermagic2310] 24/10/2016 20:20

Yorgi & BygD will hence forth be known as Yogi & Boo-Boo... LOLs
;-)

[andy] 24/10/2016 20:18

Loverat,

Perish the thought!

[loverat] 24/10/2016 16:34

The posts on here are a great read.

Andy - you're not drumming up footfall for ADVFN by riling up the locals by any chance?

[bygdennis] 24/10/2016 16:27

You may be doing this thinking i might be angry, I am disgusted as i have been with some of kemche's posts but take your latest effort as a compliment, Show's you must think i'm more intelligent than you if you need to use my posts as input for yours.
Just admit you've run out of ideas to carry on with you negative campaign,
Unless of course you can come up with something bullish i have said, It's all true and correct, that's why i have no problem, Liars can only talk and have nothing to back themselves other than more lies, You get confused and desperate don't you andy?
I don't mislead as anyone can research and find what i post is accurate and i advise this often, you can't find anything to show you are in any way correct so fill up with other or the same dubious rubbish.
From now i will ignore your posts and just now and again repost one of yours and call you the liar you really are. I'll add cheat as you've used my input to suit yourself.

[bygdennis] 24/10/2016 16:15

Andy, You are a liar, Do not talk about me and twisting away as always, Taking my remarks as your ownshows you are inept at any time to give an accurate view, Now, Would you like me to prove you are a liar or do you think you better apologise, I made this reference only a post ago, yet you imagine anyone reading your rubbish will not have noticed, You again should be ashamed and this time you have gone overboard with your ramblings,
The only one thing you've said that has a slight truth to it.
Now andy I have called you a LIAR, defend yourself here and now, Tell us what and where you answer my posts, It's always been the other way round, I make sure you don't mislead.
You should be ashamed but no, Carry on, those who follow know the real Andy by now and the grasping at straws posts you make.
I am not bullish, Liar andy, I just tell the truth about things, where you talk about past circumstances long gone and irrelevant to what Aero is now.
You avoid all my bullish remarks as you call them because you have nothing to post to show them wrong.
For once, post about Aero now and what i have said that is not correct!
As you last time accused me of a list of what you called lies, After a quite period looking you didn't answer, you must have feverishly trying to find something but of course came up blank, This is the little toady kind of person you are, Now reply and don't change the subject, I won't let you off this time, Let's see if you have any honesty or even a slightest sense of honour. I have been here since this all began and know everything that's gone on, So do your best

[andy] 24/10/2016 14:30

Yorgi,

To answer your points:


" I have not accurately analysed in percentage terms but very high."

If you have "not accurately analysed in % terms", how can you make such a statement?

And I DO post on other stocks!


"Where were you then ? That was the time to have shown an interest surely if you were so concerned about heavily promoted companies ?"

I was not aware of the promotion here until I read the Jonathan Verney email as part of HS file for the defence of the AERO fraud allegation.

That was in August, hence my interest started then!



"You only appeared after the April RNS and the big drop in the SP"

I first posted in August, not April!



"It would appear you saw a diving share price on the back of some bad news and you then came along add your input. Checking your history this does pretty much appear to be your modus operandi."

OOh that's a bit naughty, the price was over 4p at the beginning of April, when I started posting months later it was 0.45p, and today it is the same price!

So calling me for only coming on board when the price fell is wholly inaccurate, I became interested after reading the HS papers,several months later.


"However what is also clear all your posts are only focused on the negative and have not shown any balance"

What about BYGDennis' posts then? Not only do they only focus on the positive, they are sometimes factually incorrect!

If you check I respond to his optimistic posts with a bearish post, because I think he is ignoring all the obvious negatives. Interesting that when he posts an inaccurate statement, you don't correct him!

Nearly all my posts are replies to Dennis, yet you don't criticise him nor mention how much time he spends here, why is that please?


"However what is also clear all your posts are only focused on the negative and have not shown any balance"

I have already answered that, but Dennis continues making factually incorrect statements, so I continue to correct him, is that fair?

Or do you think it's OK to post misleading statements, if they're bullish for the stock?


One example was when he said HS "has been charged with fraud"
How many times did he post that?
I corrected him, but he carried on posting it.
Was if true?
Did you correct him?
And if not, why did he continue posting the same inaccuracy for so long, when the RNS clearly stated it was an allegation?


When people start banter like IOPABBMS I ignore it to be honest, although he does make some pertinent points, as do the others you mention.

I'm not really into the BB banter.

edit

I'm not really into the BB banter when it becomes personal or when the petty name calling starts between people that know each other form other threads or boards.

[yorgi] 24/10/2016 11:59

Andy

If you're not sure why the number of companies listed on AIM is relevant I will explain.

Firstly you say "I enjoy a good share discussion"

Then you say "When I see a share being heavily promoted, I like to offer an alternative viewpoint for some semblance of balance"

Then you add "I see that as sublime promotion,and I don't like it"

Your first point, well with something like 1000 AIM companies and probably something similar in number of BB's on ADVFN if not more you have shown an inordinate amount of time posting on AERO. I have not accurately analysed in percentage terms but very high. A selection of those companies have BB far busier than AERO's with many more posters and therefore opportunities for plenty of good discussion but for some reason your almost complete focus has been AERO since April.

Under the last CEO Tony Dunleavy the company was being heavily promoted by way of interviews that is fact yes. It has since been shown that a lot of that was probably wide of the mark. He has since been replaced and the present CEO is not following that line. I hope he is busy rebuilding and then let the facts do the talking.

Where were you then ? That was the time to have shown an interest surely if you were so concerned about heavily promoted companies ?

You only appeared after the April RNS and the big drop in the SP, where surely the time to have added your valuable input would have been prior to that but I don't recall seeing you showing an interest prior to April or am I wrong ?

It would appear you saw a diving share price on the back of some bad news and you then came along add your input. Checking your history this does pretty much appear to be your modus operandi.

Yes clearly there were some mistakes made by the last CEO and BOD otherwise the share price would not be where it is now. However what is also clear all your posts are only focused on the negative and have not shown any balance. If it is all bad AERO will go under it is as simple as that but for the moment that is not definite but the BOD has clearly got to deliver some further contracts soon and funding to carry the company through until they start adding to the bottom line or the company is finished. I don't believe it is but only time will tell.

Now lets move on to another aspect. You have continually looked for the negative and to the extent that you were only too ready to pull anything bygdennis posted apart and look for the slightest opportunity to question his posts.

However did you not wonder about posters IOPABBM's who clearly has one agenda, not balanced ?

How about "pilotov", username created after April RNS ? "the gang leader" probably the same poster, "pottermagic" who refused to reveal either what other usernames he posts under or previous username. Most recently "acityboy" yet another newly registered name but clearly not new to ADVFN but none of those posters concerned you ?

Kemche, well he would appear to follow you around or visa versa and you both appear on a lot of the same BB's.

[kemche] 24/10/2016 11:53

2875, Stig, You may say that but I couldn't possibly comment.

[andy] 24/10/2016 11:11

yorgi,

I'm not sure how the number of companies listed on AIM has anything to do with stock promotion?

And even less to do with the promotion of AERO, which we are discussing here.

Around 1.000 is the answer I believe, not that it's relevant to the discussion here.

[the stigologist] 24/10/2016 10:54

Andy24 Oct '16 - 10:48 - 1744 of 1745 1 0
Yorgi,

I enjoy a good share discussion, but what really peaked my interest here was the set of documents presented by HS.

When I see a share being heavily promoted, I like to offer an alternative viewpoint for some semblance of balance.

The package of evidence included an email from someone called Jonathan saying that he "had been trying to generate interest in AERO on BB's"!

I see that as sublimal promotion,and I don't like it. It's the first time the practice has ever been officially confirmed, although I'm sure it goes on every day on other stocks here too.

It illustrates just how dangerous these BB's can be for the financially naive.

IS that a clear enough reply?

[the stigologist] 24/10/2016 10:52

ha ha nicely put Andy

[yorgi] 24/10/2016 10:52

That adds to my understanding Andy and I'm sure you would know roughly how many companies are listed on the LSE AIM market, roughly as it is constantly changing of course ?

[andy] 24/10/2016 10:48

Yorgi,

I enjoy a good share discussion, but what really peaked my interest here was the set of documents presented by HS.

When I see a share being heavily promoted, I like to offer an alternative viewpoint for some semblance of balance.

The package of evidence included an email from someone called Jonathan saying that he "had been trying to generate interest in AERO on BB's"!

I see that as sublimal promotion,and I don't like it. It's the first time the practice has ever been officially confirmed, although I'm sure it goes on every day on other stocks here too.

It illustrates just how dangerous these BB's can be for the financially naive.

IS that a clear enough reply?

[andy] 24/10/2016 10:42

bygdennis24 Oct '16 - 10:20 - 1740 of 1741 0 0

Andy, You post on here but say nothing at all, All the stuff you're talking about is an investment as i said no matter what you call it, You say cash burn but it is expenses and this covers everything, How much it costs to how much eventually you can get back.

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You really don't understand do you?

Instead of filibustering all day trying to drown out previous posts, go take a look at their last set of accounts, and ask yourself why expenses come under all different headers, rather then the one header for everything, as you want to use?

Even the company accountant disagrees with you!

The knowledgeable investor studies the cashburn to make informed judgments, others ignore the cashburn and lose money when the discounted placings roll in, and scream blue murder at the "surprise" of the placing...

[yorgi] 24/10/2016 10:38

Andy

That does not answer my question, is another of your evasive posts.

I am not asking whether you hold AERO as you have made that clear you don't want to answer that.

My question is simple what is your interest in AERO ?

[andy] 24/10/2016 10:34

yorgi24 Oct '16 - 09:49 - 1739 of 1740 1 0
Andy

You have still not answered my question clearly what your interest is in AERO?
EDIT

Your previous response was evasive.

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Yorgi,

You did not ask me "what my interest is in AERO", and I was not "evasive", I answered your actual question quite clearly.

Please see below!


"Andy you also seem very reluctant to answer whether you hold shares in AERO ?"


Yorgi,

I'm not reluctant, I don't do it period!

Whether I hold a stock or not will not alter my opinion. Unlike virtually every other poster here, I often criticise a stock I hold, even though I may continue to hold it.

[bygdennis] 24/10/2016 10:20

Andy, You post on here but say nothing at all, All the stuff you're talking about is an investment as i said no matter what you call it, You say cash burn but it is expenses and this covers everything, How much it costs to how much eventually you can get back.
Being a new stock with a new technology it does have risks, most understand this, Just not your group pretend not to, SA has and still does promise great potentia and a good future, in a sector that in the coming years will be worth billions, as it is beginning to happen as the reliable news tell us, You lot choose to ignore for probably as long as you possibly can even though as you say the share price is .45.
Now Andy and the rest, What do Aero have that they didn't have before and how much have they improved even though there were difficulties they have now fully addressed and are moving on with an excellent package of services and recent increased work in progress, The progress has been steady and nothing they acquired and developed are also recently become fully integrated.
Being what i am say is the truth and as you say the share price is now lower than the highly discounted placing price of .5p and none of you can deny what i post about Aero, Then surely you are all completely out of touch with Aero's present situation and at a price that could rise dramatically should the next news be of a positive nature.
All you lot are doing now is posting about me and trying to imply Aero are not in a very good position to make a vast improvement with what they already have even if they do fund raise to further improve their position.
All you can do is hope the odd holder will listen to you guesses and wayward comments that have no truth to them at all, about past events that are no longer applicable or try to demean other posters with a realistic view for some of the reasons i have just mentioned, As you know there is much more i could add, So carry on at your pleasure but there is nothing at this time you can talk about that will change the current position by playing mind games, You lot, like everyone else on these threads will have to wait for news, You imply you are all savvy in the way of business and the risk/reward looks more than worth thinking about just on the price alone. Don't you agree?, I'm just inviting you to make up a bit more nonsense, I will answer and so it goes on but there isn't really any point, Is there?

[the stigologist] 24/10/2016 10:20

Has yorgi grown a pair because he thinks the stink over his ramping has died down? Just because the Court case won't be proceeding doesn't mean he isn't under investigation by FCA etc

[yorgi] 24/10/2016 09:49

Andy

You have still not answered my question clearly what your interest is in AERO ?

EDIT

Your previous response was evasive.

[andy] 24/10/2016 09:40

bygdennis22 Oct '16 - 02:18 - 1732 of 1737 2 0

Andy, anyone who buys a stock will know the risks or they would not invest. If they research properly they will know what investment (cash burn you lot call it) a company makes.

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Dennis,

A bit of a rant,and at 02.18 am in the early hours of the morning!

I have a couple of points to answer:


"anyone who buys a stock will know the risks or they would not invest."

If that statement were true, nobody would ever lose money on a stock! It's because people don't understand the risks that they invest! And they lose!

Look at AERO for example, it was 12p, now 0.45p, did people that bought at 12p understand the risks? Hmmm!



"If they research properly they will know what investment (cash burn you lot call it) a company makes."

Once again you illustrate your lack of understanding of accounts, and how company expenditure is qualified.

"cashburn" is the money the company spends, regardless of what it is spent on, and the only useful measure for an investor to judge when the next financing will be required! It doesn't matter to me how you call the expenditure, I just need to know how much is left, and the rate it is being spent!

Sadly you do not understand this, and that's why you didn't see the last financing coming when some others did.

Cashburn includes boring stuff like rent, electricity, wages, legal bills, travel, listing fees etc.etc.

You can not describe those things as "investment", they are Q & A, normal running costs!

Go and look at the last set of accounts and you will see what I mean.

[yorgi] 24/10/2016 08:19

Acityboy

Would you like to reveal to the BB what other usernames you use here or on LSE or what usernames you have used previously ?

[bygdennis] 24/10/2016 08:18

The only reason i write so much is because there is a group here that posts what they like in a negative way, I answer these posts only if they are wrong or unreasonable, No need have a go at me unless you think their type of behaviour i warranted, Go back a bit, I only answer, nothing else! If i used a few ID's then i wouldn't need to post so much, But i am not this way inclined.
So acity boy, Not being rude just real, Have a pop but don't expect me to to agree with you if you're having a pop, You say i post to much, don't agree with what?.
Yes, So the running of any company is an investment in the continuation,All expenses are an investment for tomorrow and to progress with the business, Cash burn is a made up term for those who have a reason to be sceptical, The usual reason is loss, I call it investment, That's what it is no matter what is said otherwise.
Have you ever see the term cash burn on a balance sheet?

[acityboy] 24/10/2016 08:10

No need to be rude, old boy - it's just that you write so much, as if knowledgeable, but don't know that cash burn refers to salaries and ongoing and unavoidable running costs for the company. Investment funds are monies set aside for technical improvement and business expansion purposes. They appear in different columns on a balance sheet! In the meantime, I am hoping that this week will see an improvement in my investment - it actually went down last week when I thought I'd bought at a low point!