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[buywell3] 06/11/2016 23:51

OIL now looks set to test $40 within days

Also More USA OIL wells set to come on stream as of now

[fangorn2] 06/11/2016 21:43

"redartbmud6 Nov '16 - 20:42 - 18828 of 18832 0 0
Here we go. Colonel Blimp and his hot air yet again."

Thanks for your pointless windbag of an effort. Zzzzzz

Suggest you head back to the Fool - oh you cant,they're closing down their boards.

[fangorn2] 06/11/2016 21:41

"nigelpm6 Nov '16 - 20:49 - 18830 of 18831 3 0
Only fine to stay in the single market if we aren't bound by FMoP, ECJ, ECHR - otherwise no, it's absolutely not ok - and not what the people voted for!"

Exactly.

Seconded.

[fangorn2] 06/11/2016 21:40

"tournesol6 Nov '16 - 20:39 - 18827 of 18830 3 0
If we stay in the single market and presumably agree to pay for the privilege as well as accepting that we have to comply with EU regulations and allow free movement of EU citizens then we will not have exited in any meaningful way, will we?

Soft Brexit = not Brexit as far as I can see. It means that Exit is only a technical reality rather than a meaningful change."


Seconded Tournesol. Youve nailed it

[nigelpm] 06/11/2016 20:49

Only fine to stay in the single market if we aren't bound by FMoP, ECJ, ECHR - otherwise no, it's absolutely not ok - and not what the people voted for!

[emptyend] 06/11/2016 20:47

Membership of the single market is totally incompatible with leaving the EU, as all its proponents well know.Every country has access to the single market, but there is no necessity to be a member of it.

[redartbmud] 06/11/2016 20:42

Here we go. Colonel Blimp and his hot air yet again.

[tournesol] 06/11/2016 20:39

If we stay in the single market and presumably agree to pay for the privilege as well as accepting that we have to comply with EU regulations and allow free movement of EU citizens then we will not have exited in any meaningful way, will we?

Soft Brexit = not Brexit as far as I can see. It means that Exit is only a technical reality rather than a meaningful change.

[stemis] 06/11/2016 18:35

Hopefully any authority to exercise article 50 will be amended in Parliament to prioritise membership of the single market as part of the subsequent negotiations (prioritising it over stopping free movement for example). There should be enough hard line REMAIN rebels in the Conservative Party to combine with Labour. Lib Dems and SNP to pass that. It would still be Brexit and, as we are constantly told, Brexit means Brexit...

[emptyend] 06/11/2016 13:52

....unfortunately the Labour party have started talking about blocking Article 50.....Not sure that's the whole party - just the imbecile who "leads"* it.* .......as in leads in ducking journalists' questions and skulking in his "safe space"

[emptyend] 06/11/2016 10:25

She did - but completely disingenuous about her objectives and role. Of course it would be irrelevant if we could rely on our elected representatives to vote according to the Referendum vote in their constituencies, but I don't think we can. For example, all 7 MPs in Suffolk were on the Remain side and all 7 of their constituencies voted to Leave. Two thirds of constituency areas voted to Leave, so theoretically it should be straightforward - but a number of the others (at least) seem set on a series of wrecking amendments if they get the opportunity. That would be enormously damaging for the UK - not least in terms of international perception!

[nigelpm] 06/11/2016 10:11

Thought she made her point well on Marr this morning.

Get on and have the vote would be my suggestion and if it goes against them have a General Election.

[emptyend] 06/11/2016 09:03

...unfortunately the establishment paper (The Times) won't be making these points.

[nigelpm] 05/11/2016 23:39

Agree Fan. It's worth the pain. I totally agree and that's what convinced me to go leave against my economic concerns.

[emptyend] 05/11/2016 22:17

Worth a read for those who think judges have been wrongly villified:http://www.lawyersforbritain.org/referendum-article-50-case.shtml

[emptyend] 05/11/2016 20:11

ps...the point about the European Medicines Agency is highly likely to be accurate. They employ about 4,000 IIRC. I met one of the employees during the campaign.

[emptyend] 05/11/2016 20:09

HA re Nissan it is a myth that there was some sort of "special deal" for Nissan, IMO. Businesses have to take decisions all the time under conditions of uncertainty and I am inclined to take some quite specific details given by Hands on Marr at face value......ie there was lots of reassurance about direction of travel but there was no way any of the negotiating outcomes could be underwritten.

[fangorn2] 05/11/2016 17:11

@Nigel

"There will be a big price to pay for Brexit but life will change and adapt - longer term it comes out in the wash."

Agree but freedom/liberty, the ability to control ones own destiny, decide who enters(and who we can deport" unhindered by a foreign entity...all worth it atthe end of the day.

What is money if you've not got liberty.

Brexit is a great opportunity to realign ourself in the world, to forge in a new direction, to focus on Britain's real problems.

The political landscape is changing fast - we dont want to be stuck on a sinking ship that is the EU.

[fangorn2] 05/11/2016 17:08

Sums up the shenanigans frankly. Paper is irrelevant, focus on the content.

"If, however, our politicians were to show that they do not merely fail to connect with voters but are actively contemptuous of them, it is difficult to see how we could avoid disaster.

To say there would be anger would barely come close. Not only would our political system be on the point of collapse there would be riots.

And it would be a political crisis entirely of the Remainers’ making. These are worrying times."

As I commented, riots would most likely be the small beer to what followed.

[nigelpm] 05/11/2016 16:44

new news (to me) about the UK losing the European Medicines Agency.

Pharma and aviation were the two sectors I was most worried about.

Already seeing the aviation impact - Pharma starting to come through.

There will be a big price to pay for Brexit but life will change and adapt - longer term it comes out in the wash.

[haideralifool] 05/11/2016 14:47

EE I don't see what Remainiacs had to do with, for example, the deal that HMG had to reach with Nissan in order to keep that company here.

Are we really going to have employer-by-employer and/or industry specific deals? And of course some firms will have a valid case and others will just try it on (without being Remainiacs), but it will be time-consuming.

This story has news about India.


whose government wants relaxtion on visas for their students (Punjabis for Poles?) and new news (to me) about the UK losing the European Medicines Agency.

The latter is the sort of stuff that people like me had not even realised would be an implication and items like it keep popping up.

[emptyend] 05/11/2016 11:55

Of course, HA, the whole process is being made DELIBERATELY more complex by the activities of Remainiacs who are trying to stop the people getting their way (eg the people who brought and funded the legal action, and the LibDems who are scrabbling opportunistically for a raison d'etre between the Greens and Corbyn).Repeal the 1972 Act and take it from there. Or invoke Article 50 and take it from there. There is a mandate for either route - but what there is no mandate for is undue delay and unnecessary complexity. And if Remainiacs get their way and are allowed to introduce countless amendments (none of which will have any genuine function until negotiations are under way) there will be the most almighty backlash from the public!

[haideralifool] 05/11/2016 11:18

Peter said, 'who have created the myth from way back that leaving the EU was going to be quick easy and painless'.

Certainly it has only emerged after the vote as to exactly how complicated any extraction will be and the implications for many different industries.

How on earth are a handful of ministers going to decide what is to be done in each instance?