Redt Energy Share Discussion Threads

[dogrunner11] 27/10/2017 10:04

Here’s the Chinese PM’s comments on our VRB:-

However, on seeing the company's vanadium redox battery, a rechargeable battery that uses vanadium ions to store potential chemical energy, he told the engineers of a smaller, more efficient VRB that he saw in the UK. He also shared his knowledge of German hydrogen battery stations when engineers showed their latest achievements in this field.

[grabster] 27/10/2017 10:01

I agree owenski - RedT need to grab a share of the market fast if they are not to be left behind. Hopefully the Jabil connection will allow them to do so. I hold shares in RED-T.

For now, China has enough on its plate servicing the requirements of its own people and industries. But the sheer scale of that work does put them in a good position to service other parts of the world at a more competitive price than some smaller growing western companies in a very few years time.


EDIT: P.O; I think your are a bit too dismissive of what China can do. It hasn't taken long for most of the domestic equipment in the west (television sets, cameras, computers, kettles, phones, etc, etc) to carry a Made in China label. And yes, I do think they will become the dominant player in supplying cars - shiploads of which will see off the US car industry fairly soon for a start. It will happen quicker than many seem to think possible. Hopefully RedT will have strong enough China partnerships to benefit; particularly in managing costs; if they don't, they will indeed be at risk of losing out to bigger faster players. I'm sure they know that.

[pierre oreilly] 27/10/2017 09:59

Why are you concerned? Are you a shareholder?

Owen, I don't mind negative posts when they have some merit, but pure scaremongering is worse than any ramping seen on here.

Do China make cars? Are you concerned that every car sold on the planet will soon be chinese?

What about aircaft? Are all aircraft Chinese?

It wouldn't surprise me at all that if China produces lots of flow machines it'll likely be under contract from a European or us company using western ip because of low labour rates.

[fieldhouse] 27/10/2017 09:58

Thanks tully,a good read.
Looks as though the competition is hotting up and China leads the way.
Would be nice to have a huge British success story in energy storage !!!
Scott needs that marketing team working around the clock and Jabil gearing up for mass production !!

[owenski] 27/10/2017 09:42

If China are making these flow machines on an industrial scale, I'd be concerned, they can flood the market and that could be a problem for RED

[alchemy] 27/10/2017 09:40

Great read.

[edale] 27/10/2017 09:37

Great find. Thanks Tully.

[tullynessle] 27/10/2017 09:16

Excellent and detailed article about the development of vanadium batteries and the opportunities for grid-scale energy storage. China is well ahead with their projects - however the worldwide market must be immense.
Apologies if posted previously.




Feature Green Tech Fuel Cells
It’s Big and Long-Lived, and It Won’t Catch Fire: The Vanadium Redox-⁠Flow Battery

Move over, lithium ion: Vanadium flow batteries finally become competitive for grid-scale energy storage

Posted 26 Oct 2017 | 15:00 GMT
By Z. GARY YANG

[This article appears in the November 2017 print issue as “Is This The Ultimate Grid Battery?”]

Article follows......

[dlg3] 27/10/2017 08:48

One thing for sure they will use battery storage......

[dlg3] 27/10/2017 08:47

Who will lead in the race to become 100% renewable USA, China, UK, Saudi Arabia ???

[dlg3] 27/10/2017 08:44

Move over fossil fuels, renewable energy reigns! Well at least in China, which just ran an entire region on renewable energy for an entire week. Over 5 million people in the Qinghai Province in northwest China received all their power needs for a week from 100 percent renewable energy sources.

[dlg3] 27/10/2017 08:41

China is a part of the Paris Climate accord. As part of its commitment, China needs to increase its use of non-fossil fuels so that they make up less than 20% of the country’s total energy consumption. If the plans for Qinghai continue successfully, they will be well on their way. China is putting massive investment into renewable energy, recently surpassing the US as the world leader in renewable energy development. They are expected to invest $360 billion USD on clean energy projects before 2020.

One of the biggest investments has been in huge solar arrays, one project on the Tibetan Plateau consists of 27 square kilometers of arrays with the capability to power 200,000 homes. Other projects include the huge floating solar array in Huainan, that provides 40MW of power.

[dlg3] 27/10/2017 08:33

By the end of the 20th century it was widely accepted that carbon dioxide and several
other gases are involved in physical and chemical processes in the earth’s upper
troposphere and stratospere that may result in global climate change.
Already in 1896 Arrhenius forecasted rising global temperatures as a result of fossil
fuel combustion (Ponting, 1991, Göttlicher, 1999). So-called greenhouse gases
(GHGs), most importantly carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide
(N2O) trap the outgoing solar radiation that is reflected by the earth’s surface, which leads to global warming

[dlg3] 27/10/2017 08:26

Solar plus storage becoming cheaper than natural gas, and less polluting, methane is one of the biggest ozone depleting gases...

Cal-ISO determined that, actually, there are viable clean-energy alternatives to a gas-powered plant, thanks in large part to advances in battery technology that make it more cost-effective to store solar power for nighttime use or wind power for when the skies are calm. Battery storage costs have come down considerably since the Puente contract was awarded in 2014, making it increasingly affordable. Just in the last year, three battery facilities have started operating in Southern California, one of them in direct response to the shutdown of the Aliso Canyon natural gas storage facility near Porter Ranch after the largest methane leak in U.S. history. Increasing the state’s capacity to store power would also help California make more efficient use of its growing supply of renewable energy, rather than being forced to dump surplus electricity onto other states’ grids.

[alchemy] 26/10/2017 23:37

Aardvark63 noted that Redt believe they aren't that good at marketing.Ok the 4ps of MarketingPlacePromotionPositionPriceMake that 5! Product.I don't think we should beat ourselves up that much.(Subliminal " we " note).There are some businesses which need what some people confuse with marketing and that is PR.But with 12 distributors , reference sites and a requirement for product, I think we can relax a tad, we have built it and they have or will come!I'd rather we improved deployment , built the references, and nurtured the pipeline than beat our own chests.The great marketing in any associated field is from Musk.or so it is perceived. Go though those Ps and see if you agree.please... sleep well. I think we may prefer our approach over time. His brand may beat all the other electric cars coming up: it may not, but we are plan ting acorns in rich soil without others in great shape so far as I can see.

[dlg3] 26/10/2017 23:00

telecoms a big area for vanadium flow battery,s....

[dlg3] 26/10/2017 22:59

If the solar locations are remote they will need storage that can withstand the heat, will not be stolen, have a long life and not set on fire....and can run for a long duration...

[dlg3] 26/10/2017 22:36

M&S look like they could be clients of stephens scown...

[dlg3] 26/10/2017 22:28

This may be where the large orders are coming from.....

[dlg3] 26/10/2017 22:28

A number of our renewable energy clients are seeking to install battery storage on existing solar parks and within large scale roof top systems, thus maximising the benefit from the generation of their PV modules. However, care needs to be taken where the generation station (the Ofgem definition of a site generating reliable electricity) is accredited for the Feed-in Tariff or Renewables Obligation.

[dlg3] 26/10/2017 22:26

Justin Butt is a solicitor in our renewable energy team. If you would like to discuss any aspect of battery storage please contact our Renewables Team on 01392 210700 or email [e-mail]

[dlg3] 26/10/2017 21:29

Landrigan said the scale of deaths from pollution had surprised the researchers and that two other “real shockers” stood out. First was how quickly modern pollution deaths were rising, while “traditional” pollution deaths – from contaminated water and wood cooking fires – were falling as development work bears fruit.


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“Secondly, we hadn’t really got our minds around how much pollution is not counted in the present tally,” he said. “The current figure of nine million is almost certainly an underestimate, probably by several million.”

This is because scientists are still discovering links between pollution and ill health, such as the connection between air pollution and dementia, diabetes and kidney disease. Furthermore, lack of data on many toxic metals and chemicals could not be included in the new analysis.

The researchers estimated the welfare losses from pollution at $4.6tn a year, equivalent to more than 6% of global GDP. “Those costs are so massive they can drag down the economy of countries that are trying to get ahead,” said Landrigan. “We always hear ‘we can’t afford to clean up pollution’ – I say we can’t afford not to clean it up.”