Powerhouse Energy Share Discussion Threads

[grahamwales] 04/10/2024 20:26

Schofi

You seem to criticise a lot but nothing to counter my arguments. You seem a little lost when it comes to any opposition so perhaps you need to sit back and be quiet.

[smokey 1o3] 04/10/2024 16:51

Yes absolutely!!

[vatnabrekk] 04/10/2024 16:24

There is a lot of pressure from the Greens and other organisations, as well as the general public and the government, to recycle as much plastic as possible. If anyone is going to achieve that then someone along the line will have to separate the end-of-use non-recyclable plastic from the recyclable plastic. And when that is done, the non-recyclable plastic can be sent to a DMG to be turned into syngas. The separation does not have to be done by the operator of the DMG.

[schofi2] 04/10/2024 15:10

Graham, you seem to be obsessed with this false argument. Again you are showing your ignorance.

[ken chung] 04/10/2024 07:14

Going down.0.4p soon.Lemmings and mushrooms only.

[smokey 1o3] 03/10/2024 15:00

Vata - you are right of course and one must give consideration also to the value of the output of Char which has not been spoken to.

[vatnabrekk] 03/10/2024 11:45

I accept that councils will go for whichever option is cheapest for them. If they send it to landfill (unsorted) then they will have to pay a fee per tonne. The same unsorted (and contaminated) plastic can be processed by the DMG for a smaller fee, so why would a council not give their plastic to whoever is operating the DMG?

[grahamwales] 03/10/2024 11:11

Missing the point. All councils are strapped for cash and will choose the cheapest option. Plastic waste will continue to go to landfill rather than the costly option of sorting from paper, metal, cardboard etc etc.

[smokey 1o3] 01/10/2024 17:52

Yes, We are in fact talking about non-recyclable plastic feedstock for which PHE expects to get paid for taking it in and process by pyrolysis not burning to produce syngas, hydrogen or heat [steam].

[vatnabrekk] 01/10/2024 15:20

Graham that is just plain wrong.

[smokey 1o3] 01/10/2024 14:55

Graham -\You must be joking!

[grahamwales] 01/10/2024 14:23

So the majority of plastic is already used to generate energy. PHE are going to have to compete with those if they want a slice of the market. What environmental groups want is for the plastic to be recycled and used to produce more plastic products not used to produce energy.

[schofi2] 01/10/2024 13:27

Courtesy of The Daily Telegraph

Soft plastics deposited at supermarket recycling points are mostly sent abroad and burned, an investigation has found.

Campaigners placed trackers in 40 bundles of soft plastic waste, such as salad bags, films and wrapping, that were collected at Tesco and Sainsbury’s.

They found that 70 per cent of those bundles tracked to a final destination were burned for energy, not recycled.

Everyday Plastic campaign group and the Environmental Investigation Agency (EIA) tracked the plastic packaging after they left the supermarkets between July 2023 to February 2024.

Seven of the bundles were found to have been turned into fuel pellets which can be burned to produce energy for industry such as cement kilns.

Five were burned directly for energy, four were downcycled, meaning they were turned into items that cannot be recycled again, mostly in Turkey. Just one was downcycled in the UK.

Several supermarkets launched the collection of soft plastics last year to provide a recycling option for items that councils cannot process.

But there are minimal options for processing soft plastics in the UK and much of it ends up being downcycled into items such as bollards or park benches.

Alison Colclough, research director at Everyday Plastic, said the investigation showed supermarket soft plastic recycling schemes were a distraction from cutting packaging.

A collection of supermarket carrier bags
Soft plastic is hard to recycle and few facilities in the UK can process it PA
“The take-back schemes are being presented as a solution, which is diverting attention from the main issue that can’t be overlooked: far too much unnecessary plastic packaging is being produced,” she said.

Lauren Weir, senior ocean campaigner at the EIA, said: “Other countries should not bear the burden of the UK’s high production rate of this waste material and inability to effectively treat it domestically.”

Sainsbury’s suggested it could only recycle soft plastics that were not soiled or damaged, but added that the majority of waste it received was in good enough condition.

A spokesman said: “We’re always seeking ways to positively manage the end of life of our packaging.

“We collect a small volume of flexible plastic overall in-store. The majority is in good condition and so is recycled.

“However, when materials are soiled or damaged, then they may need to be converted for energy, which is managed by our supplier. Feedback is important to us and we’d welcome any suggestions on how we can improve our efforts in this area.”

Tesco said a supplier error had led to materials being sent to an accredited processing site in Turkey.

A spokesperson said: “We have a clear plan to remove packaging wherever possible, and reduce, reuse and recycle it where we can’t.

“We work hard to recycle the materials we collect, for example our Bags for Life, and in some cases we are even able to use it for projects such as fruit and vegetable planters donated to schools or park benches donated to the NHS.

“Where it is not possible to recycle the collected plastic, we put it to alternative uses to avoid these materials going to landfill, for example using it for energy recovery.

“We know there is a lot more progress to be made, and the infrastructure to recycle soft plastics at scale in the UK and the EU still has a way to go.”

[schofi2] 01/10/2024 13:22

Will Tesco and Sainsburys be looking for a PHE unit.

[grahamwales] 01/10/2024 12:13

Will have to pop round didn’t have a lot of outside space so plastic will probably have to come in bags. Wonder if they want me to drop some down.

[ken chung] 01/10/2024 11:27

Seriously though, I laughed when I saw the RNS. I doubt they will even have it assembled before 2025, let alone testing and certifying. I hope it came with instructions and they weren't in Chinese. Even then it's still just for demonstrations and testing, not full size. Still 5+ years away from completing a full size commercial scale site imo. Lots more dilution.Lemmings and mushrooms only.

[deccer1] 01/10/2024 11:20

If they dig it out a bit more to let the water gather they could try watercress.

[vatnabrekk] 01/10/2024 11:08

Keep shorting Ken!

[ken chung] 01/10/2024 10:59

This time with photos. The silver things looked unstable to me on those narrow spread legs (I wouldn't want to be near liquid nitrogen if they topple over), the green thing looked like it had masking tape holding it together, was the little shipping container the new head office and what are they going to do with that small patch of muddy ground - it's a bit late in the year for tomatoes if you ask me.

[ken chung] 01/10/2024 10:53

Another non news, news announcement today.

[tenapen] 01/10/2024 06:14

Cont...

Paul Emmitt, CEO of PHE, commented:

"I am extremely pleased with the progress we are making on the FTU build, whilst we continue to maintain our schedule and budget. This is a hugely significant milestone for the Company as having a fully operational technology centre will undoubtedly help provide us with even greater impetus to our pipeline whilst further innovating the services that we can provide. We look forward to providing further updates as we progress towards completion in Q4 this year."

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With pictures for the hard of reading

[tenapen] 30/9/2024 16:16

More on Scope 1/ 2 / 3 emissions / circular economy.






A DMG will be a valuable cog for large corporations needing / wanting to lower their emissions.

[tenapen] 30/9/2024 14:11

Also to Note

Powerhouse have a algorithm that adjusts to what waste is being fed into the chamber and so a mix is no bad thing.

I've looked but can't find the RNS with the above information. If anyone has time and can be bothered !!!