Personal Assets Share Discussion Threads

[cynicalsteve] 04/7/2024 11:47

Debt is deflationary if governments repay it and in democracies they never do. In a bad year they borrow more claiming it will be repaid in the good years. In a good year they either increase spending or cut taxes. Ultimately we the voters are to blame, politicians give us the fantasy we want. Eventually reality always wins, what a day that will be!

[essentialinvestor] 04/7/2024 10:29

Debt is arguably deflationary,
you can make an opposing case.

[shieldbug] 04/7/2024 10:25

Get ready for more inflation in coming years. US, Europe, UK, I can't see any reason why inflation won't rise. Can't have ballooning government debt funding fragile electorates without further inflation. Gold almost certainly has higher to go in coming years.

[apollocreed1] 19/2/2024 01:54

I think the ROCE has always been too low on Heinken. It can't compare with Diageo.

[backwoodsman] 18/2/2024 10:46

Poor news from Heineken

[shieldbug] 16/2/2024 12:00

Market Cap today is £1660m - 2 years ago market cap was £1770m - so buybacks have not eroded the trust significantly over that time. Share price was a little higher back then.

[cynicalsteve] 04/11/2023 15:57

Discount control looks great when a trust is trading at a premium, new shares are issued, as the trust increases in size its percentage costs are reduced and there is a small increase in the NAV per share for existing holders, Troy's fee also increases. It also appears to work when there is a short term shock, the trust buys back shares for a few days then returns to a premium (whether this is because of discount control is questionable).
But now the trust is experiencing long term selling and the shares are stuck at a small discount despite continuous buybacks. The trust shrinks in size, the trust's percentage costs go up, Troy's management fee is reduced, there is an increase in NAV for remaining shareholders but this is very small because Troy are trying to keep the share price close to NAV. Perhaps attempting to keep the share price around NAV was just too ambitious, a 5% discount is more realistic but changing the target discount would penalise existing shareholders (is this one of the causes of the selling?). PNL is a large trust but this cannot continue for ever.

[topvest] 31/10/2023 11:08

Hopefully Personal Assets Trust won't have the same problem as CGT have run into, as announced today. They will need to convert their share premium account into distributable reserves as well - at least CGT will have reminded them today on how not to do it! They have £150m of capacity, but that will be burnt through quite quickly if the run rate of buy-backs accelerates!

[shieldbug] 24/5/2023 17:24

What I mean is that the next 5 years are not going to be comparable to the past 5 years.

I am not confident that equities are going to be a buy and hold with inflation. A bit of diversification could prove a good thing. Especially as bonds have already fallen (and yields risen) a lot last year.

[shieldbug] 19/5/2023 07:17

5 year performance is backward looking. Who cares about 5 year performance?

[essentialinvestor] 05/12/2022 15:51

5 year performance is .... I will be polite and not say!.

[cynicalsteve] 28/10/2022 17:27

Don't be naughty thamestrader!
You know very well that PNL invests in very short dated gilts, as each is redeemed it is replaced with another and currently this will have a higher interest rate. The interest on the index linked treasuries and gilts is also increasing.

[thamestrader] 28/10/2022 15:13

>>Their fixed interest holdings will be paying more interest

Hmmm, so not fixed then.

[cynicalsteve] 28/10/2022 10:31

September fact sheet shows equities down to 25% and they are reducing Alphabet and Microsoft which have both fallen heavily in recent days. Waiting for the half year report later this year to see how much of the reduction in equities is down to sales and how much to share price falls. Their fixed interest holdings will be paying more interest so at long last we might get a dividend increase! My previous doubts because of the tech holdings have lessened, looking to add now.

[panshanger1] 02/8/2022 08:15

Core holding for me ( with CGT)Think the charges here are very reasonable

[cynicalsteve] 02/8/2022 07:34

Because of the share split my Halifax ISA showed a balance of £5 million yesterday! Back to normal today though. PNL doesn't seem so special to me now, CGT and selected ETFs can do the same job at a lower cost, maybe this time next year I'll have no PNL which would have been unthinkable 5 years ago.

[zxie] 01/8/2022 08:41

Terrible dog day

[jonwig] 01/8/2022 08:16

Charts, as usual, get mangled!

[panshanger1] 01/8/2022 06:46

Share split today 1/100

[panshanger1] 09/6/2022 07:26

Thanks We can all go back to sleep on this now

[dave129] 09/6/2022 07:26

I am very very very happy to see this in the report:

"...After deep consideration, the Board believe that it is appropriate to seek shareholder approval at the upcoming Annual General Meeting to split each Ordinary share on a one hundred for one basis..."

Divi reinvestment becomes a whole heap easier now ... in one of the PAT quarterlies a few years ago this cropped up and was dismissed - and I am delighted they realise that they have a significant shareholder base who would benefit from this.

[jonwig] 09/6/2022 07:01

Annual results:



All good, and a special dividend of 140p ontop of the expected 140p.

[muzerewa] 06/4/2022 08:55

interview with Sebastian Lyon fund manager www.investorschronicle.co.uk/podcasts/2022/03/30/sebastian-lyon-i-think-we-re-in-a-regime-change-vis-a-vis-inflation/