Optibiotix Health Share Discussion Threads

[rafboy] 21/10/2017 16:13

Rayrac, you are better than that. Well at least I thought you were. SOH is completely upfront and trustworthy.

[john henry] 21/10/2017 15:57

Then FO Rayrac

[rayrac] 21/10/2017 15:47

Looks very much like another Bioprogress/Meldex in the offing to me. Been down that road!! So wait for some decent income before getting carried away here!

Don’t like the feel of it, dont like look of it.

[mervin4] 21/10/2017 15:24

Thanks for all the informed comments. I really think the human gut mico biome is increasingly being recognised as essential for good health.

[loungeact] 21/10/2017 14:55

Can someone please email SOH and tell him LP-LDL INCREASES cholesterol?!! lol

[loungeact] 21/10/2017 14:42

I see Chrisg11 has difficulty answering simple questions so decides to dodge them, we've seen that before on this thread.

[elrico] 21/10/2017 14:40

Parob - out trumped you.....41 including 3 Amazon and 2 eBay sellers in Germany and Austria.



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I guess we could keep going playing top trumps. ;)

[siennadelekat21] 21/10/2017 14:32

So you dont have info you can refer to that's shows the rest of us are reading it wrong then?..... thanks : )

[chrisg11] 21/10/2017 14:28

We seem to be treading water on this.

Maybe those who are contacting SOH who I respect greatly and understands the science better than me could show him my comments and get a response.

This is my final input on this but I am repeating ad nauseum,it is laughable that people with regard to Adnan's results that LPLDL lowered his cholesterol.

An absolutely certain fact from those results is that after starting LPLDL his cholesterol went UP not down.

People can use lateral thinking that is so lateral that even De Bono would not accept to explain this but facts are facts,LPLDL definitely did not reduce the cholesterol level and to say it did is nonsense.

Now whether it modified and improved the effect of stopping statins is pure conjecture and only further results will allow us understand what is happening with Adnan's results.

As I have said as a sideline Adnan's needs to get his present cholesterol level sorted out as it is significantly too high for someone with familial hyperchoelesterolaemia as he is no doubt aware.

Let's hope that LPLDL fulfills its promise together with the other microbiome modifications and we all make some money and more importantly I,prove health.

Good luck people and don't keep shooting the messenger if the message diverges from all the hype.

The microbiome is very exciting hence my interest and investment.

Thanks for the discussion

[onedayrodders] 21/10/2017 14:10

Why are the pharma's looking to development new statins (and then abandoning) when existing statins do the job ?

[scotty1] 21/10/2017 14:05

chrisg11 the point is that as in your post below you say "the incorrect assumption" and also " previous levels which is not true."

How can you know it is an incorrect assumption and is not true,have you got the evidence to back that up?This is not a get at you post,but you expect other posters to take your posts as being true but give no evidence to back up why others are incorrect but your posts are correct.


chrisg1120 Oct '17 - 18:02 - 28177 of 28204 0 0
Ferdinand..that is a very reasonable comment but makes the incorrect assumption that the cholesterol would quickly go up to previous levels which is not true..It would go up and is indeed going up even on LP LDL.

edit
As i said in a previous post my lvls went back up to near enough pre statin lvl within 3 months,also someone else posted a piece from NHS site "In most cases, treatment with statins continues for life, as stopping the medication causes your cholesterol to return to a high level within a few weeks".

[belgrano2] 21/10/2017 14:00

be interesting to see the results of LP-LDL coupled with reduced dose of statins, with the goal of previously compare able performance but reduced side effects.

[asterix96] 21/10/2017 13:10

chrisg11 - Perhaps you would like to quit now, while you think you're ahead!

[loungeact] 21/10/2017 12:57

Chrisg11 - What was your expectation? Did you expect that LP-LDL would reduce cholesterol on the same level as Statins? You make comments about lack of 'scientific accuracy' and 'convincing results' - I don't think anyone here has begun 'party celebrations' as you put it. Adnan was taking Statins which were reducing his cholesterol, he stopped taking them and begun taking LP-LDL. My expectation would have been that his cholesterol would be reduced, but not to the level of Statins, which is what his results show. It's not rocket science and I don't think anyone here is making out that we've some miracle cure. I do notice in all of your posts that you in some shape or form try insinuate that the product is unproven or not showing enough evidence of working. It's been tested, it's been taken to market. It works.

[chrisg11] 21/10/2017 12:33

Scotty..I don't dispute your results for one minute,only the interpretation of Adnan's results.

The easiest thing is that if someone suggests that all cholesterols will return to their original highs within 3 months of stopping statin then maybe they will link the evidential study to back up the statement.

The next few months will show us more if Adnan's kindly posts his results and I sincerely hope his cholesterol stays down although as an aside he needs to do something about his level of 6 which is far too high and of course further medication would again confuse the results.

Anyway friendly discussion is the way to go and I hope I have not upset anyone.

I am invested here and I guess the share price will fly when the evidence becomes clearer.

Elrico..

No I'm not trying to compare statins with LPLDL simply trying to interpret very limited result information

[chrisg11] 21/10/2017 12:20

Hi Sienna

I don't think it contradicts my statement at all as Adnan's cholesterol has moved to a high level even on LPLDL.

The NHS website is correct and the cholesterol will return to a high level in an unspecified time of 'weeks.

It is not saying all cholesterols will return to their original high within 12 weeks which they won't.

My best educated guess looking at Adnan's results is that his cholesterol will have risen again in 3 months hopefully not up to 7.5

We will need about a year of the good doctor's results before we can make a reasonable judgement re what's going on here.

As I keep repeating I am a believer in the microbiome theories but scientific accuracy must be maintained.

[2350220] 21/10/2017 12:13

Wow Parob, there's a lot of info in there.
For instance I didn't realise that the microbiota reside in the Colon as well as the stomach.
So maybe that could open pathways to helping with Crohn's disease and Irritable Bowel Syndrome etc.
Blimey, where is this fantastic journey leading us?
So exciting.
John

[chrisg11] 21/10/2017 12:09

Agree with your post rodders and I'm sorry some seem to have taken some sort of offence that I question the interpretation of the results.

It's not in my financial interest to question positive promotion of results but if science is not authentic then it is nothing.

I am sure we will see more convincing results than we have had so far and then I will join the party celebrations!

[onedayrodders] 21/10/2017 11:43

Chris .. I sort of mentioned caution on adnans resuts conclusion in my post 28145 of 28198.

I guess the main thing is to wait 6-9 months before we can confidently talk about effects.

One thing to note is I'm sure someone mentioned about and improved prebiotic and probiotic combination strain in the pipeline which improves upon LPLDL reducing cholesterol x 3.

That would answer all the doubters .. right ?

[parob] 21/10/2017 10:49

A Macro Look at the Microbiome

20-10-17

[parob] 21/10/2017 08:47

This German Healthcare price comparison website now lists 27 sites selling the Lactobact LDL-Control product (up from 11 in July and 24 in August):

[someuwin] 21/10/2017 08:45

...Click on the little icon to the right of a user's name. Then click on "Send Message".

[adnanwolf] 21/10/2017 08:09

Hi Elric not sure how to PM. What do I use in the box "to" just the user handle??I am away on holiday for a couple of weeks so will be in touch on returnThanksAdnan

[siennadelekat21] 20/10/2017 23:53

Chrisg11,Your comment from post 28177 really got me thinking. I've just copied and pasted the below info from the NHS website which seems to contradict your statement but i'm happy to keep an open mind if you could point me to where your info is from."Taking statins:Statins come as tablets that are taken once a day. The tablets should normally be taken at the same time each day – most people take them just before going to bed.In most cases, treatment with statins continues for life, as stopping the medication causes your cholesterol to return to a high level within a few weeks.If you ever forget to take your dose, don't take an extra one to make up for it. Just take your next dose as usual the following day.If you accidentally take too many statin tablets (more than your usual daily dose), contact your doctor or pharmacist for advice, or call NHS 111."CheersSienna