Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[xxxxxy] 13/12/2018 18:02

The withdrawal Agreement of May shackles us as a colony to the EU
Because:
TEMPORARY. What is ' temporary'.
Define 'temporary'

Income tax was a temporary tax to fund the Napoleonic Wars. It was was introduced in 1799 as a 'temporary' tax. But it is still with us. Just one example of 'temporary' effectively becoming permanent.

So May and her current Withdrawal Agreement had better rigorously define 'temporary' or any other waffle that she and her EU concocts.

Legal documents have to be rigorously DEFINED.

May has been blinded by the EU.
We, The People are not so gullible.

SO. DEFINE. TEMPORARY

The Backstop is temporary – what is this temporary?

SO. DEFINE. TEMPORARY

[poikka] 13/12/2018 17:52

Minerve, apologies, I mistook you for Ace. How could I have done such a thing! You wouldn't have used such language, lol.

Been a busy day folks, but I see that it's been busy on this board, too.

I think that I could help Treeza here: look, love, you ain't gonna get any further with them over there, at least, not enough to suit Parliament - you know, the grouping of MPs...oh never mind; so you might just as well have the vote now, and then get ready for no deal - then see how they react over there. Either way, just get ready, even if it is a bit late.

[poikka] 13/12/2018 17:46

cm44 - from the beeb, "the government has promised it will be before 21 January"

Did she say which year? And didn't she say that MPs would have a vote the other day?

[cm44] 13/12/2018 17:36

Here is the Beeb's analysis of what might happen,illuminating certainly.

[minerve] 13/12/2018 17:30

extrovert

There is no excuse for not paying your taxes and not declaring all your income. There is nothing wrong with mitigating your tax legally whether that is a few £ or a few £M. If you envy those who can mitigate £Ms in taxes then put some effort in and get yourself in a similar position. People who 'fiddle' their taxes because they assume everyone is 'fiddling' are f%ckwits and are only actually steeling from themselves, family and friends.

[minerve] 13/12/2018 17:20

exlogicalad

It is none of your business which company I founded. That stays with me. You don't believe what I say anyway, so why should it matter? There are reasons why the tax bill was high. You cannot direct a listed company in the direction applicable to your own tax affairs. Sometimes you just have to pay the bill. I would be more than happy to see all that paid go to Erasmus to students of all abilities.

Some of my daughter's friends on the course in Italy are from Cambridge and Durham on Erasmus - top universities. You know nothing about education or Erasmus. Have you got any kids for a start, or are you a 'DINKY' with surrogate dogs partaking in a little sad bout of anthropomorphism? LOL

[k38] 13/12/2018 17:15

Tea biscuits sympathy and Christmas shopping.She must go before she do more damage to democracy and economy of the UK .

[extrovert] 13/12/2018 17:14

Minerve,
MP's and loads or large companies are fiddling their taxes all the time. Those down below think I may as well do the same as them.

[grahamite2] 13/12/2018 16:48

I didn't say I had paid any tradesmen in cash, just that the fact it goes on doesn't bother me.

But even if I had made such payments, what you say wouldn't follow (no doubt the reason the government abandoned efforts to criminalize cash payers). There are many wholly legitimate reasons a small trader might prefer cash payment.

[minerve] 13/12/2018 16:41

grahamite2

"In what way I am complicit in illegal activity?"

By paying a tradesman in full knowledge that the income you give him/her will not be declared.

[grahamite2] 13/12/2018 16:36

In what way I am complicit in illegal activity?

[minerve] 13/12/2018 16:34

grahamite2

Well it should bother you because you are complicit in illegal activity. And then you want others to consider you? Dear me.

[exlogicalad] 13/12/2018 16:34

Grahamite..Minnie is very quick to pour scorn. He has forgotten that all UK taxpayers spending money in the UK help his daughter's subsidised education, the tax exiles don't worry about her or anyone in the UK.

I am happy to pay for educating our youth, even though they are mostly Corbyn supporters.

[grahamite2] 13/12/2018 16:22

LOL exlogicalad! If a tradesman takes cash in hand it doesn't bother me any more than you, but I wouldn't try to make a highfalutin moral case for it!

[minerve] 13/12/2018 16:09

monty

A no deal is no closer than it was the day before yesterday. Analysts currently put a no deal at a chance of 10%. I would agree with that.

[diku] 13/12/2018 16:07

Any heavy weight Politicians coming this evening on BBC Question Time...

[montyhedge] 13/12/2018 16:05

Lloyd's holding well, thought be lower, after the. Vote last night, bringing a no deal closer.

[minerve] 13/12/2018 16:03

exlogicalad

Well, yeah, using your stupid idea of black market cash you could say the same thing for cash gained from other criminal activity. The burglar spends his money in the pub too. What a stupid way of looking at things. Breaking the law is breaking the law and before any little numpty whinges about some wealthy person USING LEGAL PATHS to reduce taxes he should first look at himself breaking the law when he pays for 'foreigners' or 'in the black'.

Also, your reasoning is wrong. The tax exile still pays his way in life whether he is in the UK, Belgium, Cayman or Delaware. The value of the those shares he sells are based on the profits of the business which one assumes pays corporation tax on said profits and employs many others who receive income and pay taxes. So there has been a tax take at many points in the chain.

It is you who knows absolutely nothing about business, economics and shares. A lucky early employee of Logica. Lottery turned-up for you. You couldn't have started from scratch like I did. You are not capable.

[exlogicalad] 13/12/2018 15:53

Minnie, if you had a brain cell it would die from lonliness.

ROFLMAO

[minerve] 13/12/2018 15:45

"The UK government is second to none in rapacity."

So, it isn't an EU problem. Thanks for confirming that.

As they say, you get the government you deserve!

[grahamite2] 13/12/2018 15:36

Plenty of UK resident persons have to pay income tax from the first pound of income. The UK government is second to none in rapacity.