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[montyhedge] 13/12/2018 10:42

No deal now looks a certainty.

[aceuk] 13/12/2018 10:32

So Poikka please explain the "readily available arrangements for the island of Ireland".

I always thought it was easy i.e. use the technology and trusted trader scheme they use on the Norway/Sweden border but apparently the technology as yet doesn't work satisfactorily. Apparently there remains some issues of trust between Ireland and the DUP despite past internationally accepted treaties.


Anyway as is usual with a Brexiteer you avoided answering the question:

Why do you lunatics persist in the belief you never have to agree anything with anybody anywhere again?

I may be wrong but in order to sell your product to other countries your product has to pass their approvals schemes amongst other more mundane agreements like the price - I don't think British exports to anywhere rose exponentially despite Sterling (one of only six or seven Reserve Currencies) being trashed therefor making British goods cheap/better value.

[xxxxxy] 13/12/2018 10:15

Some would sign away their sovereignty and into slavery - just for a few pieces of silver.

Such is human nature. Sometimes it is terrible. History unfolds terrible insights of human weakness.

People. Freedom and Democracy and Law and Justice matters.

[poikka] 13/12/2018 10:15

Ace - "Why are you Brexit nutters so thick?

This is only an agreement to start the real negotiations on the real deal (which should complete before 2022 I believe).

Why do you lunatics persist in the belief you never have to agree anything with anybody anywhere again?"

Plainly, the EU could have agreed readily available arrangements for the island of Ireland. Plainly, there are so many constraints to the UK being able to leave the clutches of the EU, contained within the WA, that we can only assume the blindingly obvious - that the EU do not want us to leave and will do everything in their power to prevent us from leaving. That has been said by various EU Presidents and officials.

I hope that that explains the reason why Brexiteer nutters want legal assurance that we will be able to avoid such an impasse - unilaterally.

[cm44] 13/12/2018 10:15

Another stupid comment from Redwood.

"Were the continent to refuse to recognise UK driving licences the Post Office will be able to issue acceptable international permits for £10."

Can you imagine millions of motorists desperately searching for the few remaining POs? Let alone the probable miles of queues.

[montyhedge] 13/12/2018 10:12

No deal even more certain after the vote last night.

[montyhedge] 13/12/2018 10:09

No deal I think odds on now, time is the thing now, run out of it before 29th March.

[xxxxxy] 13/12/2018 09:57

Prcticals. Addressing some aspects of the coming managed WTO.

A managed exit without signing the Withdrawal Agreement – you will still be able to travel to the continent

By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: DECEMBER 13, 2018

One of the sillier Project Fear scares has been that if we just leave the EU there will be no agreements in place to allow planes to fly to and from the EU and the UK.

The Transport Secretary has recently reported that the UK has now concluded all of the third country aviation agreements needed with non EU countries, save four small countries still to be completed. Those agreed include the USA, Canada, Switzerland and Israel.

Within the EU the Commission has made clear that in all circumstances including a so called No deal exit there will be an agreement between the UK and EU after Brexit allowing routine aviation to continue as before between the UK and EU.

Individual member states have also expressed a willingness to put in place any arrangements needed to ensure continuation of air services.

As I have pointed out, leading UK and continental airlines are busy selling tickets for after March29 2019, and have every reason to suppose they will be able to honour those contracts. People can book their business trips and holidays as normal, and expect the planes to fly subject only to the usual things that might delay or lead to flight cancellations which have nothing to do with Brexit.

Some Remain supporters have been worried that somehow it will be more difficult to travel, to visit the continent, to share cultural events or enjoy each other’s facilities and places of interest. There are no grounds to suppose there will be new restrictions. There were no visas required before we joined the EU, and none are likely to be imposed once we leave. Were the continent to refuse to recognise UK driving licences the Post Office will be able to issue acceptable international permits for £10.

[cm44] 13/12/2018 09:54

It's just under six weeks to the 're-scheduled vote.Seems that will be heavily defeated with no hope of any Brussells helpful intervention.
We now have two more periods of gross uncertainty,from now to 21st January, then from there to 29th March.
Has anyone got a crystal ball that tells what is going to happen? I don't think even Agatha Christie could have written this story let alone envisaged a conclusion.
Poirot to the rescue?!

[xxxxxy] 13/12/2018 09:51

That agreement contains the word. Temporary. Please understand no agreement until that is defined. And no 39 billion.

That is not stupid. Just sensible and legal like

[poikka] 13/12/2018 09:48

maxk - "Why do they persist with this folly?"

Puzzles most folk, max.

Btw, wasn't impressed with the grinning Brady in the immediate run up to, and after the result -he could hardly contain himself. If the result had been different, and he showed similar response, I would have been ashamed.

May has shown tremendous disrespect for Parliament, and the referendum, and that's not a laughing matter.

He needs a new tailor.

[aceuk] 13/12/2018 09:48

Why are you Brexit nutters so thick?

This is only an agreement to start the real negotiations on the real deal (which should complete before 2022 I believe).


Why do you lunatics persist in the belief you never have to agree anything with anybody anywhere again?

[maxk] 13/12/2018 09:25

A deal under the terms Treeza brought back is a non starter.

Why do they persist with this folly?

[aceuk] 13/12/2018 09:24

Hello monty ;-)

[montyhedge] 13/12/2018 09:21

A no deal looks even more certain after the vote last night.

[aceuk] 13/12/2018 09:20

Jacob Rees-Mogg immediately suggesting the vote was dire for May and that she should tender her resignation to The Queen without delay is hardly democratic, in fact given in any terms May won the vote, Mogg was positively un-democratic and not to say churlish in the least.

Further regards Rees-Mogg the movement of large parts of his investment business to an area that will remain under EU jurisdiction, suggests he doesn't believe what he spouts.

[montyhedge] 13/12/2018 09:17

A no deal looks even closer now, won't get voted end of Jan. Then time runs out. Bears we will make a fortune.

[cm44] 13/12/2018 09:01

Alphorn,
In what context did JRM happen to comment on Lloyds?
Was it a direct question? Seems he may be an investor.

[cheshire pete] 13/12/2018 08:37

I predict that as sure as night follows day, the problems within the EU will continue to manifest themselves. The EU will still be an unaudited, unsustainable protectionist racket and hopefully more and more people will come to realise it and question why we would want to have any involvement with it other than trade and security.

[diku] 13/12/2018 08:34

Political panto season...

[alphorn] 13/12/2018 08:31

"Everyone accepts the result, but doesn't mean to say that everyone likes it".

Engage brain poika.

[poikka] 13/12/2018 08:24

Minnie - "Oh dear, the brexiters can't accept democracy. LOL"

How do you figure that out? JRM said that of course he accepted the result, but it showed how little support there was outside of those in her pay, which is undeniably true.

Everyone accepts the result, but doesn't mean to say that everyone likes it.

[poikka] 13/12/2018 08:21

Nothing has changed, other than TM being PM for another year. The facts that led up to yesterday's vote have not changed.

"Mr Duncan Smith, a Brexiteer who voted against Mrs May in Wednesday's vote, said he wanted to "send a strong message" to the PM.

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We cannot go on just with the idea that a fiddle here and a fiddle there is what the problem is."

Instead, he said Mrs May should say that the £39bn the UK has agreed to pay the EU as part of the divorce deal is "at risk".

"They have got to say to the EU... we are not committed to this £39bn unless we get some resolution""


Will she do that? No. Why not? Because she's feeble, and that's the kindest explanation. So, it's kick the can down the road time - again. Won't wash.

[cannyshoveyergrannyoffthebus] 13/12/2018 08:20

or have a new handle May outstonedme