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[stonedyou] 11/12/2018 22:03

Or Holland either......

[xxxxxy] 11/12/2018 22:00

I concur.

'see the EU for what it is a bullying, protectionist racket where the accounts have never been properly audited.'

Boris or JRM for PM.

[bountyhunter] 11/12/2018 22:00

"Several sources, including a cabinet minister, have told the BBC they believe 48 letters have been submitted.

The BBC has also been told that senior backbencher Sir Graham Brady has asked to see the PM on Wednesday."

[patientcapital] 11/12/2018 21:59

Another referendum is exactly what the EU want. One is enough. This isn't Ireland.

[xxxxxy] 11/12/2018 21:59

the Grieve procedure would not be legally binding or change the law of the land



What the Grieve Amendment means and how MPs voted on it
What was interesting about the voting on the Grieve amendment was that 25 Tory MPs rebelled against the Government to vote for it, including some who are usually hyper-loyal to the Government like Damian Green, Sir Michael Fallon and Sir Nicholas Soames. The word circulating around Parliament last night was that the Government Whips’ Office had given licence to the rebels – even encouraged them to vote the way they did – in order to put the frighteners on Brexiteers opposed to May’s deal: the logic being that it demonstrated that the numbers are there to oppose a no-deal Brexit, which means that opposing May’s deal heightens the possibility of no Brexit at all. Certainly there are Remainers holding out hope that the passing of this amendment is a means by which they will be able to fatally scupper Brexit altogether.

However, Brexiteers continue to point out that any motions amended under the Grieve procedure would not be legally binding or change the law of the land. After all, the exit date of 29th March 2019 is set in stone – written into the European Union (Withdrawal) Act in black and white – and it would require new primary legislation to overturn that rather than a mere motion expressing a point of view. 

[bargainbob] 11/12/2018 21:57

Another referendum is the only way out .

[cheshire pete] 11/12/2018 21:55

Jacko #9338 brilliant post. I fear however that nothing, absolutely nothing will open the eyes of remoaners to see the EU for what it is a bullying, protectionist racket where the accounts have never been properly audited. It is unsustainable, witness the recent riots in France, rise in populism, Merkel on her way out.

[careful] 11/12/2018 21:48

I understand from the Greave/Benn amendments that parliament will not let this happen.
All of labour, most of the tories, SNP, do not want no deal.

They will force a second referendum before that, before no deal.
..after all of that, there could be a no deal if the electorate vote for it.
but it may not be on the ballot paper.

I think a remain in the eu. on existing terms is more likely.

[cheshire pete] 11/12/2018 21:47

Boris looked every bit the statesman on Marr on Sunday last, gone was the clown image, the dishevelled look. He made the point that unless it is made absolutely clear to the EU that we would go to no deal, the EU will not negotiate. He rightly described the backstop as 'a legal lobster pot' from which we would not be able to escape. He said we should hold back at least half, not just half, the £39 billion until they removed the backstop. He lauded the opportunities that could come from Brexit if we are allowed to trade freely with the rest of the world. Everything he said was clear, no ambiguity, no fudging. He spoke with feeling and passion, and is imho best placed to get the Brexit that those who turned out voted for.

[xxxxxy] 11/12/2018 21:45

FACT NOT FICTION

It is often said that when the UK leaves the EU Single Market and its Customs Union that it will be far harder to trade whether it's import or export – that frictionless trade will become difficult with delays, obstacles and costs. From my own experience I can say the reverse is true. In my experience trading with our European friends is infinitely more difficult than it is to trade with other countries outside the EU. It has, for instance, been easier for us to export to Mongolia than to France

References to “customs paperwork” having to be “checked at the border” after Brexit conjure up visions of lorry drivers filling in forms which are then laboriously checked against their loads, causing delays and queues. In fact, virtually all customs declarations are made electronically ahead of arrival at a port; most consignments are cleared within seconds of arrival; a tiny percentage are physically checked as a result of risk assessment by HMRC computers or intelligence information; and such checks may be carried out away from the border at importer’s premises or warehouses.

The assumption that free trade agreements impose far more burdens on trade than do customs unions is not born out by economic studies or in the real world. Surveys of the literature show that free trade areas – e.g. NAFTA - are more ‘trade creating’ than the EU customs union. Businesses in Switzerland, Norway and other EEA countries are not complaining about completing customs declarations let alone calling to convert their free trade arrangements into a customs union. This may be because they welcome the free trade agreements their countries have been able to negotiate which would not be possible within a customs union. The Swiss 5 have FTAs with countries whose combined GDP is three times that of the FTAs negotiated by the EU.

So, it makes no sense to try to preserve the trade status quo with the EU. There is far more opportunity for the UK by gaining freedom to simplify regulatory standards on goods, to set our own tariffs and quotas and trade policy, and to use these levers to achieve better trading relationships with the rest of the world, which is growing so much faster than the EU. This is why it is so odd that the UK government should have become so preoccupied with defending a deficit trading relationship with the EU at the expense of the growing surplus we generate from trade with the rest of the world.

Full article

[polar fox] 11/12/2018 21:44

I don't know if this news on here:

Laura Kuenssberg
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Verified account

Hearing that SirGraham Brady has asked to see the PM after #pmqs tmrw, and multiple sources, including senior tories and a cabinet minister, telling us tonight they believe the threshold of 48 letters has been reached - v unlikely to be any confirmation until tomorrow.

[stonedyou] 11/12/2018 21:38

careful - I hate to burst your bubble, BUT, if by 11`0 clock on the 29th of

March if there is NO deal by that time we leave without a deal......Understand

Parliament voted for it....

[bountyhunter] 11/12/2018 21:27

Raab would make a decent PM imo. We certainly need someone who actually voted to leave to ensure that democracy is maintained and he's not so controversial as some of the alternatives. He has first hand experience of dealing with EU negotiatiors and will not be afraid to stand up to them to ensure that we actually leave the EU one way or another. He also probably knows how to unlock a car door! 😉

[diku] 11/12/2018 21:23

Denis Skinner is the granddaddy of HOC...worth watching when he gets going in HOC...

Going to be some heated debate this Thursday Question Time BBC1...could do with some heavy weight Politicians...bring Farage in...

[diku] 11/12/2018 21:16

Think Rees Mogg would a good Home Office Minister...

[careful] 11/12/2018 21:13

stoned
you are not keeping up with play.
only Boris, Davies, Raab, thought that the deal could be changed.
May knew all along that it could not.

She has now demonstrated that they were wrong.
She has listened to them and made this last minute effort, as Johnson demanded.

It is time for them to explain exactly what they would do if they came to power.
you must understand that parliament will not allow a no deal Brexit.

If they remove may, what exactly would they do next?

[maxk] 11/12/2018 21:09

Good ol Dennis :-)

[stonedyou] 11/12/2018 20:53

Someone as got to do it, a wet kipper around her chops!!!!

Surely she is not this stupid.....



BREXIT WARNING: May's desperate plea for a temporary backstop REJECTED by EU leaders




THERESA May insisted there is a “shared determination” around Europe to find a

solution to the latest Brexit impasse after she pulled the crunch House of Commons

vote on her controversial Brexit deal.



But her pleas for a temporary Irish backstop have been rubbished by European Union

leaders as she sets about pleasing potentially rebellious MPs in London. Having

met with a number of senior EU leaders, the Prime Minister said she is on a

mission to seek “assurances” that the Irish backstop will only be a temporary

mechanism to ensure no hard border on the island of Ireland. She believes this

will comfort concerned MPs enough to guide her Brexit deal through the House of

Commons when she rearranges the the so-called ‘Meaningful Vote’.

[careful] 11/12/2018 20:42

Hard to work out who will be the new leader.
there are more remainers than leavers in the Tory party.
JRM and Boris are not popular within the party.

but who is the alternative?
This new leadership contest will be just as divisive as Brexit itself.
You Brexit fans may have to accept a soft Brexit winner.

Will you accept the result. You want May to be brought down because you hope for one of your favourites will replace her.
Out goes May in comes Amber Rudd...are you ready to be disappointed?

More chaos ahead.

[stonedyou] 11/12/2018 19:58

Ok voting for politician's that you know WON`T do what they promised and

to rub salt into the wound they fiddle their expenses. Camerooooooon did it

three times and they are still doing it.....Now what does that make YOU!!