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[grahamite2] 31/12/2020 17:45

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At 11pm tonight, the UK will end the eleven month transition period and finally become a fully sovereign, independent nation for the first time in 47 years.

It's a shame that traitor Heath won't be here to see it. Never mind. There will be plenty of others blubbing into their skinny lattes.

[minerve 2] 31/12/2020 17:45

Minerve 3 Standby

[robwt] 31/12/2020 17:44

Minerve, if you are 53, I'm a scratch golfer.

Considering I haven't broken 90 since August 2019, you have your answer.

[jl5006] 31/12/2020 17:39

psy
Her not him
Minnie and Minerve are female.
Just remember jess Philips and her mouthy m8 - they are worse than men

[mikemichael2] 31/12/2020 17:35

Extra ration of Turps for M2 today, seems to have fried his saw dust brain into a mega posting frenzy.

[minerve 2] 31/12/2020 17:26

Gecko

If I need to be slipped a thick one I doubt I will get the delivery from you. You couldn’t satisfy a cat. :)

[minerve 2] 31/12/2020 17:24

What is it with these idiots that they don’t understand their own game?

We left the EU in January. We are moving from one agreement we have with the EU to another one. The fact that Eton boys and cronies make up what is agreed as a greater percentage of what 27 countries agree upon doesn’t give you any greater sovereignty, freedom or democracy as citizens of this country.

The reality is that in a few hours time our freedoms are greatly reduced. My daughter will not be able to travel within the EU in search of employment. She will have to apply for a VISA. Some freedom.

Similarly students coming here will have to buy/apply for a VISA too. Expensive for a student too at c£400.

Come on everybody, slow hand-clap for Brexiter ignorance.

You old farts will celebrate your victory but the rest of us, those with intelligence and greater IQs, are still wondering what on Earth you are celebrating. Bizarre.

[psychochopper] 31/12/2020 17:23

Odd that in a previous post, M2 had imagined sitting back and letting the Brexit supporters do all the work, since they were so confident of glory days.

But if they all end up with cancer and/or COVID and this leads to poverty, it’s going to be pretty bleak for people like him also (though it is unlikely that there are many like M2 - I am not aware that Major, Blair, Grant et al. were thinking of playing the “cancer card”). Hesseltine might - he’s gone 200% loopy.

[xxxxxy] 31/12/2020 17:23

Sovereignty. Freedom. Democracy.And stuff.Done. For now.Enjoy.Blwyddyn Newydd DdaNos da. Cymru am byth.

[xxxxxy] 31/12/2020 17:21

At 11pm tonight, the UK will end the eleven month transition period and finally become a fully sovereign, independent nation for the first time in 47 years. At midnight, we will celebrate the end of a tumultuous year that has changed the world in ways that no-one could have predicted, and look forward with hope to the new horizons that will open up in 2021 and beyond. Many Brexiteers will have mixed feelings about the Deal with which we end this era. The high hopes and ambitions that many of us had as dawn broke over London on the 24th June 2016 have certainly been bruised and dented by the battles of the last 1,652 days, but while we may now be battered old cynics, those hopes and ambitions are stronger than ever.  Much time could be spent mulling the counterfactuals and the 'what ifs', but we are where we are, with a deal signed that delivers on sovereignty for GB and a bright future ahead for the UK outside the EU. So, what of the Boris deal?Brexit Deal passed:  As the Telegraph report, we may have technically left on January 31 2020, but 'the transition period had held the UK in a limbo-land of indecision, threatened by fears that our island nation may never regain the sovereignty it squandered by first joining the European Economic Community in 1973 and then signing the Maastricht Treaty in 1992.'Yet against all the odds, Mr Johnson was able to unite not only his once-riven party but also both Houses of Parliament behind the idea of the UK and EU finally being treated as sovereign equals. Insisting Brexit "wasn't the end but only the beginning," he hailed a "new chapter" for "Global Britain as a liberal, outward-looking force for good" as he stressed the importance of remaining the EU's "best friend and ally" concluding "We got Brexit done, let's keep Brexit done." At 14.44, the European Union (Future Relationship) Bill was passed by 521 votes to 73 in the House of Commons. How did they vote? After five hours of debate in the Commons, all Conservatives backed the Bill with the exception of Sir John Redwood MP and Owen Paterson MP who both abstained citing concerns over Northern Ireland and fishing, that many Brexiteers will share. Thirty-six Labour MPs either didn't vote or abstained on the bill, including three of the party's front bench team, who all subsequently resigned from their positions. One Labour MP, Streatham's Bell Riberio-Addy voted against.Independents and former-Labour MPs Jeremy Corbyn and Claudia Webbe both abstained. The Liberal Democrats, SNP, SDLP, Alliance, Greens and Plaid Cymru all voted against the Bill along with the 8 members of the DUP. An opposition amendment criticising the "many shortcomings" of the deal was rejected by 312 votes to 213.A Liberal Democrat attempt to prevent the legislation passing with a so-called fatal amendment was heavily defeated by 466 votes to 101, majority 365.The Lords: The Bill moved to the House of Lords, where there were a few notable speeches amongst the grandstanding: Brexit stalwart and former Labour MP Kate Hoey and recently enobled Baroness Morrissey are well worth a watch.At 12.25am on Thursday 31st December 2020, Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle announced that the Queen had given royal assent to the Bill.The ERG: All but two member of the ERG voted for the Bill. The Star Chamber, led by Sir Bill Cash MP, was reconvened following the publication of the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement and delivered its verdict - the highly condensed opinion deals only with the central question of whether the deal preserves the UK's legal and practical sovereignty, and not the wider merits and demerits of the deal.Lawyers for Britain, who contributed members Martin Howe QC and Barnabas Reynolds, amongst others, to the Star Chamber, are undertaking further work on different aspects of the Agreement, and importantly on regaining the UK's sovereignty from the Withdrawal Agreement and the Northern Ireland Protocol, which remain in force alongside this new deal. As they say: That remains unfinished business.Northern Ireland: Many of us will remember Michael Gove confirming to the Lords' European Union Select Committee in May that the government will hold the EU to its commitments to work on alternatives to supersede the [Northern Ireland] Protocol, to ensure they do not become permanent. And again in June telling the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee that "unfettered access would mean that there would be no discrimination exercised towards Northern Ireland businesses or citizens."Sadly Northern Ireland is one of the biggest casualties of the Boris Brexit Deal. The UK has not regained sovereignty - for now only GB can claim that. The DUP have been stalwart supporters of Brexit and badly let down by a Deal that leaves them subject to ECJ oversight, and separated by an Irish Sea border. Fishing: The other casualty is our fishing industry. However the government choose to spin things, the truth is that the 'win' is very slim pickings indeed. The headline claim of a 25% increase in quota share turns out to be rather more like 14% according to industry campaigners Fishing For Leave who have an interesting paper here. There is fury from fishermen from all parts of the UK and particularly in Scotland. Miniscule, marginal, paltry and pathetic were the words being used by the National Federation of Fishermen's Organisations (NFFO) as they pointed out that after the full increase in 5 years time, the UK's share of Channel cod will have increased from 9.3% to 10.2%. EU fleets will also have free access to fish in UK waters – including up to six miles of the shoreline.The claim is that in 2026, the transition period will end, and the UK will regain sovereignty over its waters. However, the trade-off for increasing quotas at that stage will be accepting tariffs in return. It is doubtful that things will prove simple in practice. A huge opportunity has been utterly squandered and, given the lack of any kind of deal for services, it seems hard to claim a great victory in a deal for goods given the enormous size of the EU deficit with the UK in this area. The government must be firmly held to its promises to the UK's fishing industry and coastal communities over the next decade, both in terms of actions after the 2026 transition date ends, and in terms of actions to bring those once-vibrant areas of the country back to life and back to prosperity. Brexiteer views: A number of central figures in the Brexit debate have written on the Deal. Sir Iain Duncan Smith, elected to Parliament to immediately face the Maastricht treaty calls it a "remarkable achievement" while noting that "whilst the battle of the EU is over, the battle of the Union is about to begin." John Longworth gives his views in the Spectator where he looks at the road that led to this imperfect Deal. Beyond Brexit: As Baroness Morrissey said last night "We must concentrate now on global relationships & how we generate escape velocity to move beyond the EU orbit & rework issues like the NI Protocol & protect the integrity of the UK." We must ensure that there is no descent into apathy and a feeling that the job is now done. This moment is in fact just the start of a journey that is likely to encounter more than the odd bump and pothole, but has at its destination a whole world of opportunity for our nation and its citizens. As Ambrose Evans-Pritchard points out in the Telegraph, these potholes are likely to arrive in swift order given Liz Truss's ambitions for our trade deals: "Britain must legally change its regulatory system in order to join the Asian trade bloc (TPP). This will become the biggest free trade zone by far once the United States accedes under Joe Biden, ultimately leaving the EU as the much smaller economic area, and also as the world's slow-growth backwater if it is not careful."As we go into the New Year, the team at Global Vision will be raising a glass to all those who have worked so hard over the years to bring us to this moment - the Spartans, the vastly outnumbered Brexit stalwarts in the House of Lords, the various campaign groups from the Referendum and since, all those who are sadly no longer with us but played their part, and the 17.4 million UK citizens whose votes and trust we must not betray. A good day for workers: On our site today, Fawzi Ibrahim, national officer of Trade Unionists Against the EU and former lecturer, welcomes the new Brexit Deal. You can read the full article here.For the latest news and developments, please do follow @GlobalVision_UK on Twitter.Thank you to all our subscribers for your support throughout 2020, and we wish you and your families a very happy, healthy and independent New Year!

[cheshire pete] 31/12/2020 17:08

Less than 6 hours to the cliff edge m2

...it's coming....aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhh.

[grahamite2] 31/12/2020 16:42

The European arrest warrant is something I'm very glad to see the back of. For one thing, many actions that are arrestable offences on the continent aren't even crimes here; for another, the continent is full of politicized courts. We should keep our dealings with them to a minimum.

[bargainbob] 31/12/2020 16:37

Whatever you wish to buy the oil with

“If the Scots go independent what currency will they use??”

[xxxxxy] 31/12/2020 16:32

The City watchdog has made a last-minute move to quell fears of market turbulence following the UK's legal break with the European Union by relaxing rules on cross-border derivative trading.The Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) has acted to tackle a potential conflict between EU and UK legal regimes over the $200bn (£144bn) a day interest-rate swap market, used for pricing products such as fixed rate mortgages.The watchdog's temporary changes mean that London-based branches of European investment banks such as Deutsche Bank and Societe Generale will be permitted to trade derivatives on EU venues, as long as they are trading for EU clients.London currently dominates the multi-trillion-pound derivatives sector and has a far greater market share than hubs in France or Germany - the two leaders among the EU27.... Russel Lynch... Daily Telegraph

[robwt] 31/12/2020 16:29

The Mental Health ACT and Minerve2.

The Mental Health Act 1983 (as amended, most recently by the Mental Health Act 2007) is designed to give health professionals the powers, in certain circumstances, to detain, assess and treat people with mental disorders in the interests of their health and safety or for public safety.

[k38] 31/12/2020 16:25

I hope Boris has included in the deal, all immigrants crossing the channel will return automatically back to France.. no Q asked!