Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[mr.elbee] 31/12/2020 14:03

we now have a hostile government ...agin the people! which is worse?

[portside1] 31/12/2020 13:59

Op I am in bed hurt my back

[scruff1] 31/12/2020 13:57

Graham
Not commenting on the prof but it reminds me of a quite prominent barrister friend of mine. One of frequent comments is' Where there is one lie, in my experience others are lurking'

[xxxxxy] 31/12/2020 13:52

The old war is won... The new war is about to begin (Happy New Year)We now have a hostile foreign power on our doorstep?© Brexit Facts4EU.Org 2020Tomorrow we'll be positive but on our last day of EU captivity we offer some facts and warningsIt's the last day of 2020 and the last day of the egregious 'Transition Period' which has kept the UK locked into EU laws, continuing to pay the EU massive sums, but with no say over anything the EU does.At 11.00pm this evening the EU's Transition Period will end and a new transition period will begin. Before looking at what we are now facing, firstly we offer some facts and observations on yesterday's momentous events.Yesterday's debate in ParliamentAt 9.53am yesterday morning (30 Dec 2020), the Prime Minister Boris Johnson rose to make his initial statement to the House of Commons at the start of the debate on the European Union (Future Relationship) Bill. By 2.21pm the debate had concluded and the Rt Hon Michael Gove MP, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, rose to give the final statement on behalf of the Government.This concluded just four hours and 28 minutes of time when MPs were able to speak for the first time in Parliament about the largest trade and foreign relations treaty in the history of the United Kingdom. They had had less than 20 hours to prepare, since the publication of the 163 pages of the Bill and its Explanatory Notes.The result of the voteOn Monday (28 Dec) Brexit Facts4EU.Org predicted the result of yesterday's vote. Our estimate was a majority of 456 in favour. The actual result was a majority of 448. We were out by only four votes going the wrong way.BREXIT FACTS4EU.ORG SUMMARYVote on the European Union (Future Relationship) Bill, 30 Dec 2020The 'Ayes'Conservative: 359Labour: 162The 'Noes'Alliance: 1DUP: 8Green: 1Independents: 2Labour: 1LibDems: 11Plaid Cymru: 3SDLP: 2SNP: 44Summary: 521 for, 73 against, majority of 448.?© Brexit Facts4EU.Org - click to enlarge36 Labour MPs abstained or did not vote. Only two Conservatives actively abstained: the Rt Hon Owen Paterson MP and the Rt Hon Sir John Redwood MP. It is worth pointing out that if all Labour MPs had voted against, the motion would still have been carried by 81 votes.Why did two senior Conservatives abstain?Below are excerpts from the speeches of the Rt Hon Owen Paterson MP and the Rt Hon Sir John Redwood MP in the House of Commons yesterday.The Rt Hon Owen Paterson MP?"It will take real political determination to get fish back in five and a half years' time when we think that in the channel, for instance, the EU will be going down on cod only from 91% to 90.75%, when it [the EU] should be on 25% according to zonal attachment. We will need real determination.""I would love to vote for the Bill today, but I really cannot vote for a measure that divides the United Kingdom. Northern Ireland will have a different tax regime and, as part of the customs union, it will be under the ECJ, the Single Market and so on."The Rt Hon Sir John Redwood MP?"The Government are right to take back control and to recreate our sovereignty in the United Kingdom. We do not just want legal sovereignty; we also want practical sovereignty...""I have a couple of worries about this agreement. The first is fishing. One of the great prizes of Brexit is to recapture control of our fishing stocks and to rebuild our coastal communities and our fishing industry. Will the Government today promise to legislate immediately to prevent pulse fishing and over-large trawlers, which are doing enormous damage to our marine environment and to our fish stocks?""I am also worried about the position in Northern Ireland. To what extent is our sovereignty damaged or impaired by the special relationships and special provisions of the withdrawal Act? I thought they were going to be changed in this latest agreement with the EU."You can read the entire transcript from Hansard here.The 'deal' passes into law – how did it happen?As we wrote yesterday, an RAF aeroplane did indeed jet the new treaty to the Prime Minister yesterday, as soon as it had been signed by the EU Council President and the EU Commission President. And it was promptly signed by Boris Johnson in No.10 in the afternoon.At the time Boris Johnson was signing the treaty the House of Lords was still debating it, and it had not yet passed its third reading. Her Majesty the Queen did not give Royal Assent until the early hours of today. Here is the final stage in the House of Lords at 00.30am this morning.The old war has been won.... The new war is about to beginTomorrow - as the fictional character of Scarlett O'Hara famously pronounced in 'Gone With The Wind' – is another day. It will then be time to address the wonderful opportunities ahead of the United Kingdom, as it looks out globally and seizes its opportunities.On this last day as a colony of the EU, however, it is perhaps a good moment to reflect on the real challenges we face as a result of the EU's Withdrawal Agreement (which remains in place) and the wholly unprecedented impositions placed on the UK by the 'Trade and Cooperation Agreement' – now an international treaty.As we have pointed out many times, those who inhabit the Brussels corridors are ideological extremists working for their vision of an EU superstate, subsuming all individual European nations into one and governed by technocrats from the centre.BREXIT FACTS4EU.ORG SUMMARYFor the EU it's not enough that tomorrow:It rules a sovereign part of the United Kingdom: Northern IrelandIts access to the UK's sovereign territorial waters will continue as part of this dealThe UK has granted access to the EU's financial firms whilst the EU has not reciprocatedThe EU has locked in its massive surplus in goods trade, whilst offering nothing for UK services (80% of our economy)The UK must stick to EU standards on the environment, climate change, carbon pricing, human rights, social rights, labour rights, tax transparency, and State aidNo, none of these things will be enough. Not for the EU.For them, the United Kingdom must not succeed as a free, independent, and sovereign country. To allow this to happen would be to allow the peoples of other European countries to see a brighter future outside the EU, and to have hope. All hope must be extinguished.OBSERVATIONSThe 'Attack Dogs of Brexit' DeptFrom tomorrow, the Government must start to focus on the future. This will involve the continuing and excellent work of Liz Truss's Department for International Trade. (Yet another major trade deal was agreed on Tuesday, with Turkey.)It will also involve initiatives such as the creation of freeports, the exciting new 'Turing Scheme' providing international educational opportunities for our young people, and all manner of schemes to drive growth in AI, robotics, biotech, fintech, and the many other areas in which the UK excels.But there's one more thing. If the Government understands the continuing threat posed by the EU in its inevitable use of the Withdrawal Agreement and the Trade and Cooperation Agreement against the UK, it will need a specialist team. This team will have to work continuously to counter all the moves the EU makes to try to neuter the UK's increasing competitive edge. It will also have to go on the offensive as it sees the EU breaking or extending the terms of its agreements.Ladies and Gentlemen, we propose a team within Government which we have nicknamed "The Attack Dogs of Brexit Department". This may sound like a confrontational epithet, but this is about a mindset, if the UK is going to stand up to the EU. We will write more about this in 2021.Happy New Year to all our readersIn the meantime, we wish all our readers a very Happy New Year. Thank you so much to those of you who supported us with kind words, and especially those of you who made donations.If you would like us to see this job through in the coming months so that we don't "win the war but lose the peace", please, please donate today. We badly need your support if we are going to keep going in 2021. Covid has affected us all, and it has definitely affected the level of donations we receive from members of the public. With no other source of income, we rely on our readers to keep us going.

[mikemichael2] 31/12/2020 13:47

At least 10 posts every day x 365 = 3650 and probably more. If anyone can find a positive, cheerful single post over the past year on anything I'll send you a prize.

[grahamite2] 31/12/2020 13:44

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

If the professor is willing to make one cavalier assertion that casts doubt on everything he says.

[k38] 31/12/2020 13:32

...017M2That's a bit nasty.. only 4 to 5 posts of yours in 2020 was worth reading. May the new year bring you peace....;))Happy and better new year to all.

[bakedbean] 31/12/2020 13:00

Hate it when it does that Was 0.4 percent at the close .. after market now 1 percent ..It never seems to go higher after market this

[optomistic] 31/12/2020 12:50

"gone blue" it was a mistake Porto ;-)

[joestalin] 31/12/2020 12:34

Harsh but fair!

[grahamite2] 31/12/2020 12:34

Minerve 231 Dec '20 - 12:06 - 327008 of 327019

He added: "I am watching whole families getting wiped out here, and it's got to stop."

Further and better particulars please, Prof Montgomery.

(what's the betting the Radio 5 interviewer didn't even question him about this extraordinary claim?)

[minerve 2] 31/12/2020 12:18

"I imagine property prices in Spain and France may fall even more now."

That's a good thing. At least people will be able to afford buying them rather than the ponzi/crony scheme we have in the UK where people are led to believe they can afford it! ;)

[maxidi] 31/12/2020 12:15

I imagine property prices in Spain and France may fall even more now.

Glad I sold 6 years ago.

Sold within two weeks at a small profit to an expat retired copper from Warrington and his family love it, thank God! 5 acres for their horse and all that. I was glad to see the back of it. :o)

[mikemichael2] 31/12/2020 12:12

Listening to a reporter talking from New Zealand as its new year there. Zero covid, no masks and no rules just like normal.

[stonedyou] 31/12/2020 12:09

Do-gooding' protests fail as 1,100 foreign-born criminals deported, says Home Office source

Officials move to defend tough removals policy from criticism by celebrities, Labour MPs and human rights lawyers



Home Secretary Priti Patel at a meeting spot in a supermarket car park before a

pre-dawn raid. Ms Patel accompanied Immigration Enforcement Officers on an early

morning arrest in early December of a man suspected of having a significant

financial role in an organised crime group linked to people smuggling activity

CREDIT: Heathcliff O'Malley


"Do-gooding" celebrity protests have failed, a Home Office source said as it was

revealed that more than 1,100 foreign criminals, including 23 murderers, have been

deported this year....


To continue reading

[minerve 2] 31/12/2020 12:08

I think the point has escaped you completely maxidi. Mind you, it wouldn't be the first time, or the last. :)

[minerve 2] 31/12/2020 12:06

'People will die'

And he warned anyone not social distancing or following the rules that they "have blood on their hands".

"They are spreading this virus. Other people will spread it and people will die. They won't know they have killed people but they have."

He added: "I am watching whole families getting wiped out here, and it's got to stop."

Prof Montgomery, who was on shift as he gave the interview to 5 Live, said it was "a great myth" that hospitals are being overwhelmed with elderly people.

"The people we are getting are, like the first wave, my age really. I am 58 and I would say half the patients are younger than me. It is middle-aged people or a little bit older that we are getting."

He also told how he had gone home for a shower after one of his shifts and been called back because a pregnant patient had deteriorated.