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[minerve 2] 31/12/2020 10:06

"What should have been done was isolate the elderly and vulnerable, everyone else carry on as normal."

Do these numpties who propose this have a solution for vulnerable and elderly living with those who need to work or who want to be socially mobile?

No.

Not thought very far have they.

[stonedyou] 31/12/2020 10:04

EU chiefs sign post-Brexit trade agreement


EU can shut off power supplies if UK tries to seize control of fish stocks, small print of deal reveals.


Cables under Channel meet 8 per cent of demand - raising threat of higher prices and possible blackouts.

The EU has secured the ability to shut off gas and electricity supplies if the UK tries to seize control of disputed fish stocks in future, experts are warning.


The sanction which would hike prices and possibly trigger blackouts makes a mockery of the prime ministers claim to have taken control of British waters in his trade agreement, they say.


The little-noticed clause in the vast 1,255-page text allows Brussels to kick the UK out of its electricity and gas markets in June 2026, unless a fresh deal is agreed.


The date set is deliberately the same as for the review of fishing rights, when Mr Johnson has insisted the UK will finally grab a large share of stocks, having failed to do that in his agreement.

[geckotheglorious] 31/12/2020 10:02

Graham,
Post 326963
Tend to agree. The mortality rate though for the over 70's is very high, even higher for 80-100 age bracket.

What should have been done was isolate the elderly and vulnerable, everyone else carry on as normal. If you're 50 or under then the probability of catching a serious bout and dying is apparently very very slim. For those under 30 it is "nearly" nonexistent.

Ultimately those under 50 should have been given the option to carry on as normal rather than locked up.

[smartypants] 31/12/2020 10:01

The British Army is capable of distributing around 100,000 coronavirus vaccine doses a day if needed, United Kingdom Defence Secretary Ben Wallace asserted on Thursday.

"I’ve also got plans for up to 250 teams of mobile medically-trained personnel who could go out and administer the vaccine around the country - that would be over 100,000 a day they could potentially deliver if that is requested by the NHS."

They have a transit and a spare guy from the canteen!

[careful] 31/12/2020 10:00

I think you should check that £115 bn number for the NHS.
Way too low.

[minerve 2] 31/12/2020 10:00

"So not as straight forward as you claim."

Please excuse cheshire, he is a simple man.

[geckotheglorious] 31/12/2020 09:59

maxk
Post 326939
"No gong for Nigel .. anyone surprised?"

Personally think he'd be mad to accept it - the gong has been so devalued now. Have you seen the dross that have been getting it over the last few years????

[grahamite2] 31/12/2020 09:58

scruff1, I think the person you need to throw light on the large numbers of people who want more and fiercer lockdowns is a psychiatrist. My feeling is that, for a lot of old people especially, death by COVID has become a metaphor for death in general.

Looked at rationally and on the figures COVID quite simply isn't that big a deal.

[smartypants] 31/12/2020 09:57

The British know what they are doing..
They are looking after their own, doing the right "things" at the right time's!

UK to delay second-stage COVID vaccinations
People who have received inoculations up until now have been given the second dose of the jab 3 weeks after the first one if they received Pfizer's vaccine, with those getting AstraZeneca/Oxford University's vaccine undergoing the two vaccinations four weeks apart.
Now
United Kingdom will make the first round coronavirus vaccinations a priority, pushing back the second dosage up to 12 weeks...
So it works with just the one jab now?

[geckotheglorious] 31/12/2020 09:54

CheshireP
Post 326900
Agree. Yet the cycle will continue, year in year out, as the NHS demands more and more money. Currently £115bn per annum!!!

[freddie01] 31/12/2020 09:50

It seems it maxk.

[smartypants] 31/12/2020 09:49

Woo hoo..Finally
After 7 years "we" finally have a trade agreement with China..
"China, EU agree on investment pact after 7 years of negotiations"
What??
What do you mean..not in the EU?

[grahamite2] 31/12/2020 09:47

stewart, my feeling is that the crash in March was waiting to happen, with COVID no more than the catalyst if it was even that.

Economically the disaster has not been COVID, it has been the insane over-reaction to it, and that could not begin to be foreseen back in March.

[careful] 31/12/2020 09:32

Arise Sir Nigel.
Boris will(or already has), buy him off.

I am beginning to feel a better about Brexit at the moment.

My gut reaction is that we have lots of friends in Germany.

That speech in the German parliament a while back by a woman MP was angry and passionate and so pro British it was embarrassing.

I like the fact that Germany placed a very large order for more Typhoon fighter aircraft
just a few weeks ago. Symbolic.

So the EU. negotiator Ursula went to the same school in Brussels as Boris years ago and studied at the London School of Economics. She was apparently a dedicated punk rock fan.

We shall have a special relationship with Germany. As for Poland and Denmark it goes without saying.
Because of history Danes are so dramatically pro British (anti German)it is obvious.
I have met enough to know that.

As a Danish politician said during the negotiation. 'I do not want the UK to leave, I am Danish'.

I knew someone who was flying on a KLM flight a few years ago. The pilot went to the trouble of announcing that Germany had just been defeated in a World Cup football match.
Every passenger erupted into load cheering and laughter.

[geckotheglorious] 31/12/2020 09:32

Seconded jordaggy.
And I'd have Andrew Adonis de-peered as well...

[cheshire pete] 31/12/2020 09:23

Ah, the debt issue....debt no problem, just keep printing more money and have quantitative easing and then inflate it away. Seems that's what RoW does. Easy way out when only at helm for a few years, then someone else's problem. As long as others are in a worse position then why worry.

Reminds me of the tale about 2 guys in a tent in the Rockies with a bear approaching. One puts his trainers on and does up his laces. The other says to him 'there's no point in worrying about your laces...the bear can run faster than us', to which the other replies 'I know, all I have to do though is make sure that I can run faster than you'.

[scruff1] 31/12/2020 09:21

stewart/cheshire
people generally are behind the curve
Brexit and Covid will be off the screen when the payback starts to filter in. There will be no one to be found who will admit to having been in favour of lockdowns. All those currently hiding behind the settee will be telling how stoic they were

[stewart64] 31/12/2020 09:06

Cheshire Pete with or without a vaccine the outcome of the Pandemic in terms of National debt and sheer longevity in destroying the economy is at the top end of worst case scenarios back in March. So not as straight forward as you claim.

[scruff1] 31/12/2020 09:03

stewart
Yep its weird. What I find scary is that apparently the majority actually want this lockdown. Its quite enlightening in a way and bears out what Lord Sumption said some time ago 'When societies lose their liberty its not because theyve been crushed its because theyve surrendered it voluntarily outof fear'. It scares me that people are so easily led and willing to be told how to live by politicians. George Orwell it wasnt 1984 it was 2020

[maxk] 31/12/2020 09:02

More bad brexit news freddie?

[freddie01] 31/12/2020 09:01

UPDATE: Aldi has announced plans to increase the amount of food and drink it buys from British suppliers by £3.5 billion a year. The retailer is investing £500m in new & upgraded stores, distribution centres and its supply chain in 2021, which will create over 4,000 jobs of United Kingdom

[cheshire pete] 31/12/2020 08:59

stewart64: "Why things were so pessimistic back then and so optimistic now puzzles me."

Pretty clear to me ....back then we didn't have a vaccine, now we have two and an end of the pandemic in sight.

Back then, the Brexit outcome was unclear. Now we have Brexit and we can all move on.

Not that complicated really.