Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[geckotheglorious] 08/9/2020 13:57

corby3
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"Just to even the playing field, Trump has far more of a disgraceful track record than any Democrat"

That's because he is a Democrat. He isn't a proper Republican! He's been a Democrat for years as a trawl through all the media events prior to him running for President will illustrate!


"As for telling the truth, Trump starts with a lie and then they roll off his tongue, the man is unfit for office"

Be surprised if you can find "Any" politician that doesn't lie so!
He's more fit than most for the office of Potus.


"I don't have a vote in the US, but if I did I would be taking notice of the Lincoln Project who are Republicans and are true patriots. So ask yourself, why are Republicans promoting Joe Biden, it is because Trump is Putin's stooge, but his base are too stupid to get it"

You have to be an idiot if you think Trump is Putin's stooge.

If anyone has engaged in Russian scandals it is the Democrats, just as they are implicated in both Ukrainegate and selling out to China!

The lies to date:

RussiaGate
Ukrainegate

All the while the Democrats are GUILTY of ALL that they claim Trump is.

[chavitravi2] 08/9/2020 13:57

We've had the rinse now the spin in the next hour or so ready for the rinse again tomorrow. This is a very clean share if nothing else.

[aceuk] 08/9/2020 13:56

Perhaps that was an extension of the recent Icelandic activity 😉

[cobourg1] 08/9/2020 13:39

what could possibly go wrong?

Your pessimistic forecast perhaps!

[alphorn] 08/9/2020 13:20

........but more than 2.5mths?

[xxxxxy] 08/9/2020 13:09

Today: Make-or-break Brexit talks begin in London; Boris warns 'contradictory' WA must be overhauled; Permanent Secretary quits of Brexit legal row and Tory MPs stand up to Brussels.Brexit talks back as Boris slams 'contradictory' WA: Today we enter the final phase of Brexit negotiations, with David Frost welcoming Michel Barnier to London, albeit amidst a tense atmosphere. That atmosphere won't be helped by further articles this morning suggesting Boris Johnson will tell EU leaders that the Brexit divorce bill is "contradictory" and must be rewritten to protect the Union. The Prime Minister believes the Withdrawal Agreement is legally ambiguous and would leave Northern Ireland isolated from the rest of the UK. Yesterday this news sparked a wave of tantrums in Brussels with EU leaders describing the situation as a matter of "trust". However as John Redwood rightfully points out, "The EU refuses to implement the two main points of the Withdrawal Agreement, a free trade agreement and UK sovereignty," despite the British media's failure to recognise this.Boris is also right to point out the contractions in the Withdrawal Agreement and to seek clarification on the issues of unfettered access and protection of the single market. At the time, the Northern Ireland Protocol had enough ambiguity for it to be accepted by both sides and yet as the chance of a no-deal Brexit grows ever more likely, no one really knows what this means in reality. The protocol set out that Northern Ireland would officially be part of the UK's customs territory but that it would still have to follow some of the EU customs code. Since then, the Joint Committee has been tasked with working out what this all means in practice and how best to implement it. Tomorrow we will find out what the government seeks to 'override' with its Internal Market Bill so expect a few more harsh words then.Section 38: Last year, with a growing remainer rebellion and the prospect of losing Brexit altogether, Sir Bill Cash MP, a constitutional lawyer, looked to find a solution to the growing problems with the Withdrawal Agreement and specifically the Northern Ireland Protocol that left Britain exposed to exploitation from Brussels. He persuaded the Prime Minister that he needed a "get out of jail free card" should trade talks with the EU end in a stalemate, inserting a clause into the WA Bill, Section 38, that states "nothing in this Act derogates from the sovereignty of the Parliament of the United Kingdom". Tomorrow, when sections of the Internal Market Bill are published, the government will ensure that the NI Protocol cannot be used as a "back door" to impose conditions on all goods entering the UK. Sir Iain Duncan Smith MP told the Telegraph "Clause 38 is the reason why many Brexiteers ended up voting for the withdrawal agreement, because it leaves the UK sovereign" pointing out that the 27 EU member states agreed to the terms. One MP familiar with the events also said "There is no doubt clause 38 has paved the way for this. It provides the means for Parliament to overrule anything in the treaty."Permanent secretary quits over Brexit legal row: Adding to the tantrums, Treasury solicitor and permanent secretary of the Government Legal Department, Sir Jonathan Jones has resigned over suggestions that Boris Johnson is attempting to row back on parts of last year's Brexit deal relating to Northern Ireland. Sir Jonathan is understood to have been dissatisfied with Attorney General Suella Braverman's initial interpretation of the legal implications of a 'no-deal' Brexit. Sir Jonathan's formal departure is expected to be announced on Tuesday.Tory MPs stand up to Brussels: As Brexit returns to the front pages and we enter the most crucial part of the negotiation, Tory MPs have come out to support Boris. "It is wholly proper that UK domestic law be amended to prepare for any possible outcome in negotiations - including no deal," David Jones MP writes in the Telegraph. In the Sun, Dehenna Davison takes a look back at the election and the reason why the Tories have an 80-seat majority and declares "we need to stand up to Brussels". Peter Bone has been on TalkRadio this morning where he told Julia Hartley-Brewer that "the latest view of the EU is that the waters are yours, but the fish are ours. I mean, that is just madness" going on to make clear that the only reason the government is forced to put these back-up plans in place is because of the EU.Frost gives damning assessment of EU position: With David Frost gearing up for another tense round of the talks, he said that there needs to be "more realism" from Brussels about the UK's "status as an independent country", declaring that this week is make-or-break for achieving a deal. Frost gave a statement last night highlighting his continued frustration with the EU's position "We have repeatedly made clear that key elements of our position derive from the fundamentals of being a sovereign state, and it's time for the EU to fully recognise this reality," he said. US talks enter fourth round: Liz Truss kicks off the fourth round of US-UK trade talks today. Talks have been moving at pace with both sides exchanging market access offers last week, a step that Truss described as "a major milestone in negotiations". Furlough fraud: Up to £3.5bn in Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme payments may have been claimed fraudulently or paid out in error the government has said. HM Revenue & Customs told MPs on the Public Accounts Committee that they estimate that 5-10% of furlough cash has been wrongly awarded, with the latest data showing the programme has cost the government £35.4 billion so far. HMRC is now looking into 27,000 "high risk" cases where they believe a serious error has been made in the amount an employer has claimed. This comes as the Bank of England's chief economist warned against extending the furlough scheme saying that such a move would prevent a "necessary process of adjustment" taking place. "Keeping all those jobs on life support is in some ways prolonging the inevitable in a way that probably doesn't help either the individual or the business," he added.EU Commission reshuffle: The European Commission has been hashing out a reshuffle today following Phil Hogan's resignation over a breach of coronavirus restrictions. Valdis Dombrovskis takes over the trade portfolio but also remains Executive Vice-President. In the European Parliament, some voiced concern over the appointment including the  trade coordinator for the Socialists and Democrats. "He's already vice president of the Commission and responsible for the Eurogroup, which is a full time job," she said. "It surprised me that one of the most important portfolios is added to that - how will he combine all those things?"For the latest news and developments throughout the day, please do follow @GlobalVision_UK on Twitter.Thanks for reading, and enjoy the rest of your day.

[m_n_tomlinson] 08/9/2020 12:52

Apart from second wave Covid scare and no deal Brexit, is there any particular reason why the share price is collapsing?

Seems the market is pandering to the hedge funds who have shorted this, rather than take them to the cleaners.

[delboy45] 08/9/2020 12:42

The earthquake in Luton has done £5 million of improvements.

[alphorn] 08/9/2020 12:36

Probably max - a lot of rumbling but zero impact.

[maxk] 08/9/2020 12:33

No doubt down to the tories and brexit...




Leighton Buzzard hit by earthquake for first time ever as Bedfordshire police overwhelmed by calls

Leighton Buzzard was the centre of an earthquake on Tuesday , the British Geological Survey confirmed, with Luton and Milton Keynes affected



By
Dominic Penna
8 September 2020 • 1:13pm

[corby3] 08/9/2020 12:31

So Joe Biden is an old letch, he has Dementia, he stutters, the billion dollar Trump campaign are really giving Biden and Harris the full monty.

Just to even the playing field, Trump has far more of a disgraceful track record than any Democrat. As for telling the truth, Trump starts with a lie and then they roll off his tongue, the man is unfit for office.

I don't have a vote in the US, but if I did I would be taking notice of the Lincoln Project who are Republicans and are true patriots. So ask yourself, why are Republicans promoting Joe Biden, it is because Trump is Putin's stooge, but his base are too stupid to get it.

[eisler] 08/9/2020 12:24

1 in 10 companies that took government loans expected to go bust in 6 months, 2m more unemployed, no deal Brexit, exports down by 25% in 2021, international reputation in tatters - what could possibly go wrong?

[xxxxxy] 08/9/2020 12:16

Slightly difficult day or days for LLOY. But I really believe this time next year price will be 80p to 100p. And dividends.

[xxxxxy] 08/9/2020 12:13

Carolyn Bates8 Sep 2020 1:11PMExcellent piece, Mr Farage.I am glad that you are backing, what has proven to be, an amazing feat by the Prime Minister. He has held his nerve, since signing the WA, and waited until the day before the crunch talks in London, to show his hand.That the EU is now frantic with rage, that they have been played at their own game, is a joy to behold. We have waited a very long time for this, and many lost faith in the PM, however, yet again, he has proven, that he has strength and leadership.As another remainer, civil service mandarin jumps ship today, I feel a definite turning of the tide; who can blame us for feeling delight as we now see the end game, and what was always there, in the PM's mind, all along.... From Daily Telegraph.. Loved tbat comment.

[blueball] 08/9/2020 11:48

Chart look bearish ..6 or 7p.

[geckotheglorious] 08/9/2020 11:09

Nor am I surprised so many wont take the vaccine..

It's been rushed for starters!!!


And then there's such as this..




UN Forced To Admit Gates-Funded Vaccine Is Causing Polio Outbreak In Africa

The United Nations has been forced to admit that a major international vaccine initiative is actually causing the outbreak of the very disease it was supposed to wipe-out.



UN says new polio outbreak in Sudan caused by oral vaccine

[xxxxxy] 08/9/2020 11:04

010... Source commonslibrary.So courts cannot undo UK government. Before, matters were by convention. So no more Frustration by courts as seen prior to last election.

[xxxxxy] 08/9/2020 11:00

Clause 38 – Parliamentary Sovereignty The Lords voted at Report Stage for Baroness Hayter's amendment 20 by 239 votes to 235. It amends clause 38. Clause 38 is a declaratory provision to the effect that the UK Parliament is 'sovereign' despite the special status that the WAB will give the Withdrawal Agreement in domestic law. This amendment modifies the declaration of Parliamentary sovereignty, so that it explicitly takes into account the Sewel convention. It therefore provides additional constitutional context as to when and how the UK Parliament exercises its sovereign law-making powers in devolved areas. The legislative consent convention, which is already recognised in both the Scotland Act and the Government of Wales Act, provides that the UK Parliament will not normally legislate with regard to devolved matters without the consent of the relevant devolved legislatures. However, as stated by the UK Supreme Court in 2017, the convention is not enforceable by the courts even where it is recognised in statute

[goldfinger16] 08/9/2020 10:59

66.6% of Yanks are NOT going to take a vaccine shot

buywell..They are right not to trust Trump's attempts to palm them off with something that hasn't been through extreme tests. Trump has been promoting Operation Warp Speed, a multi-agency initiative to expedite production of COVID-19 tests, treatments and vaccines. Its goal is to produce and deliver 300 million doses of a vaccine by January, yet does it work?

A couple of months ago Trump was touting to inject bleach, he is desperate to win the election because he knows if he loses he will end up in an orange suit to match his orange face.

Biden-Harris 2020

[xxxxxy] 08/9/2020 10:49

UK sovereigntyBy JOHNREDWOOD | Published: SEPTEMBER 8, 2020There seem to be some misunderstandings about what government and Parliament did sign up to as we set out the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration.As far as I am concerned I strongly supported Clause 1 of the EU Withdrawal Agreement Act 2018 which simply repealed the European Communities Act 1972, the source of all EU power in the UK. The Act then went on to recreate EU powers for a transitional period which I was less happy with.The EU Withdrawal Agreement Act 2020 contained the all important Clause 38 to reassure people like me that the UK is going to be an independent sovereign state from the date of exit. That Clause as enacted says"It is recognised that the Parliament of the UK is sovereign. In particular its sovereignty exists notwithstanding..." the provisions of the 2018 Withdrawal Act that had reimported EU powers. "Accordingly nothing in this Act derogates from the sovereignty of the UK"This was a crucial reassurance, reflected in the Political declaration which committed both parties to negotiating a future relationship that reflected this UK sovereignty. No-one reading either document could be in any doubt that the UK was not signing up then or now to anything which meant the European Court of Justice would decide our fate, nor to anything that meant we had to follow EU laws. The UK did not offer up its fish as some further concession.The Political Declaration said "It must also ensure the sovereignty of the UK and the protection of its internal market, whilst respecting the result of the 2016 referendum including with regard to the development of its independent trade policy and the ending of free movement of people between the Union and UK". It went on to explain a Free Trade Agreement with no tariffs would be at the heart of the new relationship.I find it very odd that some are now making silly allegations about the UK and international Treaties when the UK placed this central point at the heart of all our dealings with the EU over Withdrawal Agreement 2019/20. Either the EU assists in good faith to secure this with a deal, or it will have to accept that the UK can confirm all of this again in primary legislation by way of amendment to the detail of the Withdrawal Act . We can stress again we end Transition EU powers at the end of the so called Implementation period. So far it is the EU that has resiled from the Withdrawal Agreement by not accepting UK sovereignty and not offering the tariff free Free Trade Agreement they signed up to in the Declaration. .

[diku] 08/9/2020 10:34

What if it becomes mandatory?...