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[maxk] 19/7/2020 09:02

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The law on mask obligations will be changed next Friday.

[investtofly] 19/7/2020 08:43

Black stabbing Black doesn't count under Black Live Matter

[investtofly] 19/7/2020 08:41

It's about time the cyclists pay their way......If I go swimming, I have to pay for use of poolIf I play football, I have pay for pitchIf I play golf, I have to pay green feesIf I go ice skating, I have to pay to use the rinkIf I go to the gym, I have to pay.Cyclists pay nothing to use the roads like motorists and don't come out with the statement that motorists pay emissions tax. Before that it was ROAD TAX and that's what funded the road building in this country.Also I if I drove my car as fast as the average cyclists I would be stopped by the police for causing an obstruction.

[xxxxxy] 19/7/2020 07:30

Best to.END Lockdown completely.

[xxxxxy] 19/7/2020 07:23

Discrimination. Law.

[xxxxxy] 19/7/2020 07:12

Discrimination comes into that equation.

[xxxxxy] 19/7/2020 07:10

Wrong death rates?By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JULY 18, 2020I am glad to see others and the media now picking up the obvious point that the UK death rate figures are likely to be overstatements of the true position.I first raised this matter on 11 April in my proposal to the government that they "Review the data". In that posting I set out the various ways officials had been changing the basis of compiling the death figures, with each change designed to add numbers to the totals. I warned that it was probably leading to double counting, that death figures on any given day included deaths on previous days often stretching some way back, that anyone with Covid 19 symptoms could be put down as a Covid 19 death though they may have died of something else, and some were said to have CV 19 when  there had been no test to prove that. A a death certificate could cite  CV 19 as part cause of death based on some CV 19 like symptoms with no test, whilst also citing another more likely cause of death as well. Without a test there is the possibility that people had misreported common colds, flu, catarrh or allergies  as well as something serious that killed them.On 1 June I took this up again in my blog discussion of Death rates. I said "There are differences in how the figures are compiled. The UK has gone out of its way to maximise deaths attributed to CV 19 by including care home and community deaths when other countries concentrated on hospital deaths. The U.K. has also recorded many care home and community deaths as CV 19 when no test was taken to see if the patient had it, and when it may have been other serious medical conditions they suffered from that killed them."I urged the government to ask for more accurate and consistent data from the experts, as these figures were being used to determine policy on lock down and to help derive the transmission rate which officials thought so important. As we move into the era of local lock downs precise and locally specific information about infection and death rates from the virus become even more critical to policy making. I have been surprised at some of the public scientific advice based on wide spreads for the possible transmission rate, in turn related to death and infection figures based on different data collection and definitions over time.

[jimarilo] 18/7/2020 23:21

Two stabbed at Thrope Park today, not a word on the bbc or sky

Just a guess, but the attacker must be black

[jl5006] 18/7/2020 23:12

I shall sop to the date - then sod the treasury and their vat take

[diku] 18/7/2020 21:59

Because when you are in a supermarket aren't you on a private land?...

[xxxxxy] 18/7/2020 20:53

D Walker18 Jul 2020 7:58PM

I will comply and wear a mask when I go in a shop.  But I will be going in a shop as infrequently as possible.

I'm afraid I will no longer be supporting shops in my local High Street.  It'll be Sainsburys once a week and anything else I need I'll go back to getting online.

I won't be wearing a mask when out and about.

Oh .... and Boris may like to claim it's compulsory, but it can't be enforced.  The law hasn't changed;  just Government guidance ..... which is why the police have said they can't/won't enforce it ..... and the likes of Tesco and Lidl have already said they won't either.


This blog explains the legal position: 

[xxxxxy] 18/7/2020 20:48

"EU breached Withdrawal Agreement, UK must revise or revoke," say lawyersHow to tear up the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration – the legal case?© Brexit Facts4EU.Org 2020An important Brexit legal paper, freeing the UK from EU control,summarised for everyday readers by Brexit Facts4EU.OrgIn this report we summarise the case for revoking the Withdrawal Agreement (WA) and Political Declaration (PD) first agreed by Theresa May and her civil servant Olly Robbins in September 2018. The subsequent Withdrawal Bill was then signed by Boris Johnson on 24 January 2019, after a change to the Northern Ireland Protocol.?Brexit Facts4EU.Org has reviewed the legal arguments contained in a 102-page paper published by the new think tank named the "Centre for Brexit Policy" on 11 July 2020. The arguments are written by some of the country's top lawyers experienced in these matters, such as Martin Howe QC, Chairman of Lawyers for Britain, and Barnabas Reynolds, a Partner at Shearman and Sterling, amongst other experienced lawyers in EU matters.BREXIT FACTS4EU.ORG SUMMARYThe fundamental legal arguments for revoking the Withdrawal Agreementand Political Declaration in a legally compliant mannerBelow we quote from the legal summary contained within the CBP Paper "REPLACING THE WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT - How to ensure the UK takes back control on exiting the transition period"The UK as a state retains its sovereign right to withdrawal from the EU, which is an international organisationWhen the UK exercised its right to leave, it participated in the WA process on the basis of an essential condition: agreement on a future permanent arrangement with the EU that enshrines UK sovereignty and secures an FTAThe Protocol and other aspects of the WA are incompatible with the agreement intended for the end of 2020The EU has been acting in breach of a material term of the WA, meaning that the treaty was entered into on a false premiseThe Protocol is in breach of the ECHR principle of the right to voteThe UK must exercise its right to suspend and terminate the WA obligationsThe UK must subsequently pass an Act of Parliament superseding the WA, in line with Parliamentary Sovereignty under Section 38 of the Withdrawal Agreement Act 2020The full legal argument for tearing up the WA and PDAs for the rest of the legal arguments, they are best read in full in the CBP paper,

[bargainbob] 18/7/2020 20:40

Pete

They know their record is bad re Covid , there only making the waters muddy and rewriting history.

[jl5006] 18/7/2020 19:24

And why do i say that?
Those jabs boosted immune systems.
Phps the older lot are less vulnerable.

[jl5006] 18/7/2020 19:07

So diku
What that mean.
Just like the flu - we can waste huge sums
Why not test all those who came here in the last 45yrs as to whether they have been immunised against MMR - polio - should have been bog standard.
PHE out to grass - huge salaries - making ppl jump through hoops.

[cheshire pete] 18/7/2020 18:49

Minerve: So someone tests +ve for COVID and dies months later from an unrelated illness or in a car crash but it is put down to COVID and you're happy that the data is correct?

[diku] 18/7/2020 18:45

Trump not going to be very appy...




Researchers in Australia have devised a test that can determine novel coronavirus infection in about 20 minutes using blood samples in what they say is a world-first breakthrough.

The researchers at Monash University said their test can determine if someone is currently infected and if they have been infected in the past.

"Short-term applications include rapid case identification and contact tracing to limit viral spread, while population screening to determine the extent of viral infection across communities is a longer-term need," the researchers said in a paper published in the journal ACS Sensors on Friday.

[maxk] 18/7/2020 18:39

Dr John Lee

The fatal mistakes which led to lockdown

Modelling is no substitute for quality data and research



Over the past few weeks, my sense of the surreal has been increasing. At a time when rational interpretation of the Covid data indicates that we should be getting back to normal, we instead see an elaboration of arbitrary responses. These are invariably explained as being ‘guided by science’. In fact, they are doing something rather different: being guided by models, bad data and subjective opinion. Some of those claiming to be ‘following the science’ seem not to understand the meaning of the word.

At the outset, we were told the virus was so pernicious that it could, if not confronted, claim half a million lives in the UK alone. Its fatality rate was estimated by the World Health Organisation at 3.4 per cent. Then from various sources, we heard 0.9 per cent, followed by 0.6 per cent. It could yet settle closer to 0.1 per cent — similar to seasonal flu — once we get a better understanding of milder, undetected cases and how many deaths it actually caused (rather than deaths where the virus was present). How can this be, you might ask, given the huge death toll? Surely the figure of 44,000 Covid deaths offers proof that calamity has struck?

But let us look at the data. Compare this April with last and yes, you will find an enormous number of ‘excess deaths’. But go to the Office for National Statistics website and look up deaths in the winter/spring seasons for the past 27 years, and then adjust for population. This year comes only eighth in terms of deaths. So we ought to put it in perspective.




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[poikka] 18/7/2020 18:25

Have to agree with Minnie about the number of deaths above the norm.

[minerve 2] 18/7/2020 18:12

THE FAILED GENERATION.

THE AGE OF THE THATCHER PIGS.