Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[grahamite2] 11/6/2020 08:09

I don't know mikemichael, he's been talking sense lately. Some sense, anyway.

[mikemichael2] 11/6/2020 08:04

Why 17.5? why not 17?

[buywell3] 11/6/2020 07:54

USA wobbling now and looking likely again to trade south today

UK banks and financials in particular to do likewise

LLOY to 17.5p IMO by this xmas

dyor

[mikemichael2] 11/6/2020 07:51

Morning, enjoy your 3 hours or so of no Minerve time.

[buywell3] 11/6/2020 07:41

USA market now set up for another fall IMO

Re George Floyd trial

It will be interesting to see how the jury is picked for this

Unbiased jurors that have not been swayed by the media coverage will be in short supply

Down day number 2 for UK banks IMO to be followed next week by several more IMO

dyor

[aljm] 11/6/2020 07:31

hmmm, now why would they in the US be trying to get people worried about a 2nd wave ? wouldnt it be 'convenient' if people were back in lockdown later in the year so they have to vote by post in the election, now why would the Democrats want that ??

[applepieinthesky] 11/6/2020 07:29

https://youtu.be/zCUwRrdyUFg

[xxxxxy] 11/6/2020 07:24

“Will Michel Barnier ever stop talking and do a deal?”
Another interminable Brexit speech from EU’s Chief Negotiator advances nothing


© Brexit Facts4EU.Org

Spare a thought for British Bulldog David Frost, who has had to endure months of this
One in a new series of occasional sketches by Brenda Brexit,
our Brussels Correspondent

Yesterday (10 Jun 2020) Michel Barnier, the Head of the EU’s Task Force for Relations with the United Kingdom, gave another speech in Brussels, in the Jacques Delors Building. That’s the same Jacques Delors of the famous “Up yours, Delors” headline in the Sun newspaper of 01 Nov 1990. Ah, happy days.



© The Sun 1990

This time Monsieur Barnier’s speech was delivered to the European Economic and Social Committee (EESC) of the European Union.

The EESC is an EU advisory body comprising representatives of three types of organisations: workers, employers, and what are known as “Diversity” organisations. (Probably best not to enquire too closely about the latter, dear reader.) Now I do understand that those of you who reside in whatever passes for “normal United Kingdom” these days may never have heard of this EU Committee, so here is a summary.

BREXIT FACTS4EU.ORG SUMMARY
The European [EU] Economic and Social Committee

The European [EU] Economic and Social Committee issues opinions on EU issues to the EU Commission, the Council of the EU and the EU Parliament, and it promotes the values of EU integration. In other words it is packed full of federalists.

Most committees have around a dozen members to ensure that they are manageable
In the EU, committees tend to number around 30 members
The European Economic and Social Committee (EESC) has 326 members
These members work for the EU, independently of their governments, and they meet nine times a year

Full article

[xxxxxy] 11/6/2020 07:23

Living with our past
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JUNE 11, 2020
The past is another country. We are linked to it by past members of our families, by the buildings and works of art they left us, and by the language, heritage, culture and institutions they helped fashion. We can enjoy the best of their inheritance, and change those parts of it we do not like or approve. The works and deeds of those who came before cannot be undone, just looked at in different ways. We have the precious gift of life, which means we can help shape the world around us, the world we will pass on to our children in due course. The dead can no longer change our world from the grave. Their believers and helpers who are alive can join our democratic process as we battle over their legacies .

I am glad I live in a country which usually respects the past whilst having sometimes passionate debates about it. I remember taking a Russian visitor around the Palace of Westminster shortly after the Berlin Wall was torn down. After I had described a few of the characters portrayed in pictures and statues he grasped a fundamental truth. He said how lucky I was to live in a country that could live at ease with its past. His country had been one where each successive tyrant who grabbed power rewrote the history as he wished and ordered the tearing down of pictures and statues of those who no longer pleased.

Each generation has difficult decisions to make about the built and artistic inheritance. I think it is right to conserve sufficient of the past so all interested can see examples of the buildings for themselves, and can find likenesses of the leading figures that helped shape the UK of their day, for better or worse. I have never thought I should with like minded people be able to win an election and then purge our cities and galleries of memorials to those we oppose. My disliking Marx cannot change the historic importance his thinking has enjoyed, nor wipe out the millions of deaths carried through in the USSR and elsewhere by following his ideology. I fought my battles against Marxist social and economic thinking with my pen as a young man. I never suggested defenestrating his statues.

In the UK we have proceeded by evolution rather than revolution most of the time. The English Church or house evolves, with extensions and new facilities added as the generations pass.So it should be with our approach to the built environment. There are times when adapting what we inherit makes sense. There are times when need and commercial logic points to replacement, building anew. Then should we record and photograph what is lost, so those interested will in future know how we changed the world.

Towns and cities with statues on public ground have democratic processes to decide whether to maintain or replace them. Where a City no longer wishes to remember in open space a former leader who gave money or ran parts of public and commercial life the statue could be moved to a private place that did wish to remember, or to a museum where it can form part of an historical display and account.

I share the hatred of many of slavery and enforced occupation of a country by a military power. I have always resented the way the Romans invaded our country, placed it under a brutal military control, and made a market in slaves to give the senior Romans a wonderful lifestyle. It has not made me want to remove all the Roman statues of the thinkers and leaders of the imperial and colonial government which enforced this system on us. I do not deny that alongside their belief in slavery and military rule they also produced some important academic work and technology. The Romans who delighted in the torture and cruel death of animals for sport were good at building large structures. We can debate what if anything they did for us without throwing their statues into the nearest river or sea.

Living in a democracy means respecting and being tolerant of other’s views. Today none of us are tolerant of slavery, but we can be tolerant of each other’s approach to history. The academics who are often most engaged against the statues of former donors today often depend on donations and fees from China. Are they sure their own deeds are as morally pure as they think those of the past should have been? How do they rate China for civil liberties, freedom of expression and of religion?

[mitchy] 11/6/2020 07:17

FED hold current interest rate at 0.25%

[ekuuleus] 11/6/2020 04:51

BLM is sponsored by George Soros.

George wouldn't be making big swings on the stock markets and profiting from it? Not his MO.

[buywell3] 11/6/2020 04:00

USA covid surge number two underway --- LLOY to 17.5p by xmas is buywells call




------------------ First Mr George Floyd --------------------

--- IF the cop goes to court charged with second degree murder he might get off

His defense lawyer could argue thus with buywells' permission :

'' As I said in my opening remarks your honor, my client did not intend to kill Mr George Floyd . He sought to render him temporarily unconscious so that he could be placed safely in the police vehicle without damaging himself or putting the police officers in attendance in harms way by biting or spitting which as your honor is aware does take place in many arrests and can pass on various viral infections such as HIV, various types of hepatitis, and Covid-19.

As your honor is now no doubt also aware , many police forces in America have been using this exact same technique as my client to apprehend suspects that are much larger and stronger than themselves . My client was in fact trained how to carry out this manouevre as part of his police training program please refer to exhibit 420.
This clearly shows on Feb 21st 2019 my client attended course 201 run and organized by the Minneapolis Police Department , please read section 3 b) on page 2 of the course contents , actions to be taken when arresting larger or stronger or potentially dangerous suspects at crime scenes.

At this time I wish to make the following points to the jury and the court

'' Mr Floyd had recently contracted Covid-19 your honor , please refer to exhibits 423 and 433 . These X-rays and Photos show scarring tissue on the lungs of the deceased which I will show in later testimony is both recent and a result of Covid-19.

It is my contention your honor that Mr Floyd could not breathe properly ,partially as a result of his reduced lung capacity due to the Covid-19 damage both his lungs has suffered. Please refer to exhibits 421 and 422 these are medical articles recently published that support significant lung damage is being caused by this new Coronavirus your honor . I shall be calling two doctors involved with those medical papers later in the trial to explain in greater detail that a normal person with normal lungs and no Covid-19 related scarring would NOT have likely died in the circumstances that Mr Floyd died BUT would have more likely passed out and become unconscious which was the aim all along of my client your honor. ''

etc

buywell is prepared to write the initial defense brief for $500,000

Timed to be 10 mins long

IMO dyor


Coronavirus cases rocketing in America due to released lockdowns


Texas Shatters Record For New Coronavirus Cases
Forbes-2 hours ago

Texas reported over 2,500 new coronavirus cases Wednesday—the highest reported in a single day by far since the pandemic started

june 10th 2020

Since May 25th 2020 , memorial day in the USA ,

Covid-19 cases have risen by :

10% in Alaska, California, Delaware, Georgia, South Carolina;
11% in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Virginia;
12% in Arizona, North Carolina, Tennessee;
13% in Arkansas;
14% in Alabama and Minnesota;
15% in North Dakota

That is why buywell says wave number two is now underway and is going to be additive to the current growing wave number one

ie we have a worse case scenario with social unrest thrown in for good luck

[buywell3] 10/6/2020 23:39

USA covid surge number two underway --- LLOY to 17.5p by xmas is buywells call


Some decent posts but a few errors made by some posters , so 8/10 for effort

------------------ First Mr George Floyd --------------------

Agreed --- IF the cop goes to court charged with second degree murder he might get off

His defense lawyer could argue thus with buywells' permission :

'' As I said in my opening remarks your honor, my client did not intend to kill Mr George Floyd . He sought to render him temporarily unconscious so that he could be placed safely in the police vehicle without damaging himself or putting the police officers in attendance in harms way by biting or spitting which as your honor is aware does take place in many arrests and can pass on various viral infections such as HIV, various types of hepatitis, and Covid-19.

As your honor is now no doubt also aware , many police forces in America have been using this exact same technique as my client to apprehend suspects that are much larger and stronger than themselves . My client was in fact trained how to carry out this manouevre as part of his police training program please refer to exhibit 420.
This clearly shows on Feb 21st 2019 my client attended course 201 run and organized by the Minneapolis Police Department , please read section 3 b) on page 2 of the course contents , actions to be taken when arresting larger or stronger or potentially dangerous suspects at crime scenes.

At this time I wish to make the following points to the jury and the court

'' Mr Floyd had recently contracted Covid-19 your honor , please refer to exhibits 423 and 433 . These X-rays and Photos show scarring tissue on the lungs of the deceased which I will show in later testimony is both recent and a result of Covid-19.

It is my contention your honor that Mr Floyd could not breathe properly ,partially as a result of his reduced lung capacity due to the Covid-19 damage both his lungs has suffered. Please refer to exhibits 421 and 422 these are medical articles recently published that support significant lung damage is being caused by this new Coronavirus your honor . I shall be calling two doctors involved with those medical papers later in the trial to explain in greater detail that a normal person with normal lungs and no Covid-19 related scarring would NOT have likely died in the circumstances that Mr Floyd died BUT would have more likely passed out and become unconscious which was the aim all along of my client your honor. ''

etc

buywell is prepared to write the initial defense brief for $500,000

Timed to be 10 mins long

IMO dyor


Coronavirus cases rocketing in America due to released lockdowns


Texas Shatters Record For New Coronavirus Cases
Forbes-2 hours ago

Texas reported over 2,500 new coronavirus cases Wednesday—the highest reported in a single day by far since the pandemic started

june 10th 2020

Since May 25th 2020 , memorial day in the USA ,

Covid-19 cases have risen by :

10% in Alaska, California, Delaware, Georgia, South Carolina;
11% in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Virginia;
12% in Arizona, North Carolina, Tennessee;
13% in Arkansas;
14% in Alabama and Minnesota;
15% in North Dakota

That is why buywell says wave number two is now underway and is going to be additive to the current growing wave number one

ie we have a worse case scenario with social unrest thrown in for good luck

[minerve 2] 10/6/2020 23:16

C’mon guys surely his mistress’ baby shower takes precedence over a few OAPs checking out before their time?!?

[minerve 2] 10/6/2020 23:16

Johnson was not guided by science. He was driven by ideology. It is obvious to all.

[minerve 2] 10/6/2020 23:12

'Mr Johnson insisted it was “too early to judge ourselves”'...

No. It is you who will be judged; nobody else. These are real weasel words, designed to shirk much deserved blame.

[minerve 2] 10/6/2020 23:10

Johnson is on course for a dubious double whammy: the most deaths in Europe from Covid-19 and the most economic damage.

well done Boris, that is quite an achievement!

[minerve 2] 10/6/2020 23:09

The honeymoon is over and the emperor with his cronies has no clothes.
This govt must be the most abysmal in the western world but for Trump administration

[minerve 2] 10/6/2020 23:09

Populist deceit and incompetence costs lives.

[minerve 2] 10/6/2020 23:08

Is anyone listening to the PMINO? Jog on Boris. We’ve all made decisions about how we’ll handle this. I’m staying lockdown. Others will be out and about. One thing is for certain you’ve lost any ability to control the situation.